Hot restart issue + won't rev past 2500 (under load)

flaveroo

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Hi all, looking for help! I've down a lot of searching but still can't narrow this down. I've got a mid 90's Sea ray with a 4.3 Mercruiser. The boat has run flawlessly for the 4 years I've had it. Last season, it still ran great, but would not restart after running awhile. After sitting, it would start and again run perfectly. I thought vapor lock, but tried all the tricks to cool it down before turning off and didn't seem to help.
So, thought flooding, even though it didn't real seem like there was excess fuel flowing into the carb. And the WOT start trick doesn't work.
My plan was to rebuild the carb over the winter, but hasn't happened yet! I ran some Seafoam through the carb in the driveway and all seemed to be working well, so took it out for a spring day with the family.
After about 15 mins of cruising at about 2900 RPM, there was a huge backfire and it died. Wouldn't restart, or even fire. Floated around awhile and it eventually would fire, but not start. 10-15 mins of this then it restarted, but would not rev above 2500 under load. Limped back towards the dock. Died 4 or 5 more times limping back. repeated the above procedure and made it back eventually.
So, it's back in the driveway, but I don't know where to start. And here's the embarrassing part: it's pretty low on oil, didn't check it before heading out!
Would low oil cause this? I'll change the oil of course before heading out, but I'm sure it will run fine in the driveway again, so want to get to the root of the problem.
There were never any alarms and the oil pressure gauge read fine. It seems to me that the pressure sensor just leads to the gauge, so don't think there is a safety shut off. I have a mechanical fuel pump, so don't know what the shut off would do?
There is an alarm if you leave the key on too long while not running, so I think it works.
When it won't start there is fuel squirting in when you push the throttle. There is 12v to the coil with the key on, and power leaving the distributor while cranking. But I wasn't able to test while floating around when it wouldn't start.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Jason
 

GA_Boater

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Other than the low oil, is it running hot? When was the las time the impeller was changed? By the way, if it's seriously low on oil, it may run hot because it's about to blow up.
 

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How low was the oil?
When you say "Wouldn't restart, or even fire" do you mean that the engine won't turn over at all or that the engine turns over but won't fire up?
 

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Thanks for the responses guys. The boat doesn't run hot. Seems to stay about 150. The oil was just below the "add" line
Not good, but not at the blow up stage I don't think.
When it won't start, it turns over normally, but won't fire.
 

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Have you checked the timing? What was the wide open throttle RPM before the big bang? Could It get past 4200?
 

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Ayuh,.... Sounds like it's starvin' for fuel,.....
 

flaveroo

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Thanks for the input. Not sure what the WOT rpm was before it died, but probably brought it close to 4000 to start, then settled it down to 2900. I don't have a timing light, so haven't checked that yet. It will rev fully in neutral, and ran perfectly last year other than the hot restart problem.
Do you think these problems are related, or is the bogging a new problem?
Might be starving for fuel when running, but when it won't restart there is fuel in the bowl that squirts in when you advance the throttle.
After sitting for awhile it will slowly fire a bit more each time you crank. Which made me think it was burning off excess fuel.
But I'm not sure...
 

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Update, just got the rebuilt carb back and installed. Ran rough, but adjusted idle and seemed smooth. But, tons of fuel dripping out the carb, while running, and after shutdown! So, I adjusted the float drop level, and that helped, but didn't fix it completely. I'm pretty sure it's the float level that needs adjustment, just not sure how for this condition. I've searched the threads, but could use some help.
I also took apart and cleaned the fuel pump (quit a bit of crud, but parts looked good), replaced fuel line (tank to pump), replaced filters (fuel pump and carb), checked and cleaned one way valve at tank.
Also seemed to me that choke didn't open as soon as it should. Ran much better when I opened it manually.
But first issue is the flooding. Any advice on how to adjust float and how much?
Thanks!
 

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Update, just got the rebuilt carb back and installed. Ran rough, but adjusted idle and seemed smooth. But, tons of fuel dripping out the carb, while running, and after shutdown

Not a good sign

I also took apart and cleaned the fuel pump (quit a bit of crud, but parts looked good), replaced fuel line (tank to pump), replaced filters (fuel pump and carb), checked and cleaned one way valve at tank.

Was the fuel pump cleaned out after you put the new pump back on or before?

If a piece of the crud got into the new carb it can cause the needle seat to be damaged or hang.

Was the carb filter replaced during rebuild or after?
 

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Not a good sign



Was the fuel pump cleaned out after you put the new pump back on or before?

If a piece of the crud got into the new carb it can cause the needle seat to be damaged or hang.

Was the carb filter replaced during rebuild or after?

Thanks All dodge. I replaced the filters and cleaned the fuel pump before putting the carb back on. The float wasn't replaced in the rebuild and set to recommended specs. It's possible (likely) the fuel drip was happening before, causing my hot restart issue. But could that also cause the bogging/stalling when trying to plane?
I'm going to try to drop the float tomorrow morning.
 

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If your flooding the motor would bog and or stall, but depends on how bad. Normally there is no issue with not replacing the float so long as it's not soaked. They only weight so many grams, but if they are a bit heavy they will sink
 

flaveroo

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Hi all, just wanted to say thanks and let you know I solved this issue. It seems all the symptoms were due to flooding. My fix was to raise the float 3 mms (while upside down-meaning when reassembled, the float would hang 3 mms lower).

Runs great, thanks again!
 
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