Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

wichers

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Hello, this is my first post<br /><br />Can you help me solve a mystery with my 98 honda 90HP 4 stroke engine? here are the description of the symptoms:<br /><br />When I am cruising at 3000 3500 rpm, the engin runs smoothly for a while, but very soon, if I power up to 4000 or more the engin looses power runs only on 3 or 2 cyls and appears to be starved for fuel.<br /><br />This problem happens sporadically but more an more often. When we come back from a fishing trip after having run for 15 min one way; if we suddently power up to max speed; if we run the engine for a long time at 4000 rpm.... <br /><br />Frequency of the pbm has increased. It used to happen every now and then but has become worse. In the past, all we had to do was to iddle, pump the little pump that is between the fuel tank and the engine a few times and the pbm would be solved. This made us believe the pbm was linked to insufficient fuel reaching the engine. But that was not it as pressing on the fuel pump now does not resolve this pbm any more. <br /><br />Strangely enough, when the engine runs on 3 cyls for a long time, and that we have the engine up to 3000 rpm (i have to get home!) it has happened that the engine suddently starts to run correctly again... and then after 10 min of heaven, starts running poorly again...<br /><br />I don't understand it<br /><br />I have tried and changed many things with my mechanic, but the pbm has not yet been solved: <br /><br />1) i have changed both fuel pumps becuase the previous owner had run the engine without openting the fuel vent on the fuel tank. The fuel pumps were shot (apparently). The pbm continues<br /><br />2) I instaled a fuel filter between the fuel tank and the engine to remove the dirt in the fuel tank. Pbm continues<br /><br />3) We changed all spark plugs.. Pbm continues<br /><br />4) we removed, took appart and cleaned the 4 carbs (they were clean), changed the internal fuel filter (it was very dirty : sand, water and even glass pieces) but the pbm continues<br /><br />5) our mechanic contacted the honda company who told us to unplug the electrical contact for the engine trim that is on the engine (not on the controls) due to some interference, the engine ran great for 15 minutes, but then the pbm comes back..<br /><br />6) we hooke the fuel tank directly to the engine, bypassing the fuel filter and making the distance between the engine and the fuel tank much shorter, but the pbm continues. <br /><br />I have heard that a source might be a faulty contact with the oil or water temp.. DO you have any other ideas, have you heard about this before? Have you experienced the same?<br /><br />Thank you very much<br /> <br />Jan
 

feagin

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

One time I had a set of 90 hp carbs off and one of the vent tubes on the back of the #2 carb came off causing the same symptom. It would run ok at 3/4 throtle and drop lower at full throtle. You may have to pull off the carb manifold to inspect all four of the small vent hoses that go to each carb. All it takes is for one to be off to cause this problem. Pat
 

Nick on the Bad Habit

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The carbs on the 75 & 90 HP engines are very senstive to water or dirt in the float bowls. The next time the trouble occurs, try to drain each float bowl one at a time with the engine running.the carbs have a drain screw and tube at the bottom of each float bowl. the slightest amout of water or dirt will cause the float to stick and ether starve or flood the cylinder. the fuel system needs to have a water seperator type filter to help with this problem.<br />Good luck, Nick
 

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

I'm not sure if this will even come close but...<br />I had alomost the EXACT problem on a Yamaha motorcycle. Over the coarse of 2 seasons, I did the exact same thing as you (minus the fuel pump, of course). Just when I was ready to sell it, someone suggested (not a mechanic), it was spark plug resistor caps. They were $4 a piece. I changed all four and voila...problem solved!<br />No one ever suspected this because there appeared to be a good spark. However, once the plug was back in the chamber and under compression, the resistance across the gap increased sufficiently to prevent a spark. THe problem was directly proportional to engine rpm and/or temperature.<br /><br />On the other hand, I don't even know if outboards use them. Good Luck<br />MajBach
 

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

Hello All,<br /> We sometimes use our insulated plug pliers to pull each plug boot off ,one at a time while running, to hear + see what each cyl. does with one lung down.Each cyl should respond and also a click should be heard when the fire tries to first jump the larger gap of up to 1/2 or so.<br /> Have you tried squeezing the ball primer WHILE underway or ?<br /> A soft ball also could mean a Combustion chamber leak but that affects smaller ,non-fuel pump equipped motors more so.<br /> Maybe even run the motor in the DARK at night to look for some stray sparking.<br /> <br /> My honda car had a stuck open thermostat that really caused weird running as it overcooled the engine and blew the engine.They get mileage by running hot and at 150 an engine will cry foul.<br /> Food for thought....<br /> Tim M
 

tstamp

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

Hi Wichers<br /><br />I am experiencing exactly the same problem with my 2004 Honda 90HP. Done many of the same things you did - however the problem is becoming a regular occurence. Like your experience the problem used to be corrected by a pump of the primer bulb.<br /><br />Carbs have been drained and fuel was clear.<br /><br />Have you managed to solve the problem.<br /><br />I would appreciate your help and anyone else's comments.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Terry
 

Nick on the Bad Habit

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

You might want to check the O-Ring inside of the fuel line connector. The slightest nick or cut will allow enough air leakage to make this happen.<br />The price is cheap enough to change out on a regular basis.<br />Nick
 

Capn Kirk

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

I also think it is fuel related.I would try complete new line and bulb.Once I had a similar problem and it was a falty check valve inside tank.
 

Capn Kirk

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Try hooked up to a separate 6 gal fuel tank from a friend.
 

MajBach

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

I hope if an when this problem if corrected, the poster enlightens us as to what it was. Still sticking to my plug cap theory.
 

tstamp

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

Report on my "dropping cylinders" problem at high revs. In January I completely stripped the fuel circuit - tank (custom aluminium), fuel lines, etc., and cleaned thoroughly. Upon cleaning the tank I noticed very fine aluminium grinding residue - finer than talcum powder. Apparently too fine for my fuel filters to pick up.<br /><br />Decided not to reinstall the tank at that stage even though I thoroughly cleaned it. Ran our whole summer season (Jan to May - 100 hours) on 2 x 25Litre portable tanks, with new fuel lines - it hasn't missed a beat throughout the whole rev range.<br /><br />As others suggested the carbs appear to be dependent on very clean fuel. Trust this assists and thanks for the suggestions on how to fix the problem.<br /><br />Terry.
 

finmanfish

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

wichers said:
Hello, this is my first post<br /><br />Can you help me solve a mystery with my 98 honda 90HP 4 stroke engine? here are the description of the symptoms:<br /><br />When I am cruising at 3000 3500 rpm, the engin runs smoothly for a while, but very soon, if I power up to 4000 or more the engin looses power runs only on 3 or 2 cyls and appears to be starved for fuel.<br /><br />This problem happens sporadically but more an more often. When we come back from a fishing trip after having run for 15 min one way; if we suddently power up to max speed; if we run the engine for a long time at 4000 rpm.... <br /><br />Frequency of the pbm has increased. It used to happen every now and then but has become worse. In the past, all we had to do was to iddle, pump the little pump that is between the fuel tank and the engine a few times and the pbm would be solved. This made us believe the pbm was linked to insufficient fuel reaching the engine. But that was not it as pressing on the fuel pump now does not resolve this pbm any more. <br /><br />Strangely enough, when the engine runs on 3 cyls for a long time, and that we have the engine up to 3000 rpm (i have to get home!) it has happened that the engine suddently starts to run correctly again... and then after 10 min of heaven, starts running poorly again...<br /><br />I don't understand it<br /><br />I have tried and changed many things with my mechanic, but the pbm has not yet been solved: <br /><br />1) i have changed both fuel pumps becuase the previous owner had run the engine without openting the fuel vent on the fuel tank. The fuel pumps were shot (apparently). The pbm continues<br /><br />2) I instaled a fuel filter between the fuel tank and the engine to remove the dirt in the fuel tank. Pbm continues<br /><br />3) We changed all spark plugs.. Pbm continues<br /><br />4) we removed, took appart and cleaned the 4 carbs (they were clean), changed the internal fuel filter (it was very dirty : sand, water and even glass pieces) but the pbm continues<br /><br />5) our mechanic contacted the honda company who told us to unplug the electrical contact for the engine trim that is on the engine (not on the controls) due to some interference, the engine ran great for 15 minutes, but then the pbm comes back..<br /><br />6) we hooke the fuel tank directly to the engine, bypassing the fuel filter and making the distance between the engine and the fuel tank much shorter, but the pbm continues. <br /><br />I have heard that a source might be a faulty contact with the oil or water temp.. DO you have any other ideas, have you heard about this before? Have you experienced the same?<br /><br />Thank you very much<br /> <br />Jan
We had a similar problem it was the coils
 

finmanfish

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Re: Honda 90 HP Looses power, drops cyls

We had a similar problem on 1996 90's it was the coils
 
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