Help with RUN/OFF switch on Commander 3000 throttle control

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ptilly62

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Since I’ve had the boat (Sting ray 200LX) the kill switch has never worked correctly. The kill switch sits below throttle lever on a Commander 3000 throttle/shift control. On the backside of the kill switch the wires are simply cut off. It appears, that the RUN/OFF switch was originally connected to two purple wires that are currently connected together with a wire nut.
The boat starts and runs from the ignition key. When you separate the two purple wires it cuts the engine.

Testing the existing switch with a multi-meter yields the following. RUN position its OPEN.
and OFF position it is CLOSED.

This is exactly the opposite that I need. (or I'm totally off on the wiring)
I ordered another RUN/OFF switch thinking that it was simply a broken switch but no joy… the new $78 switch is acts the same as the old one. Ugh. I’m confused.

Thanks for your help!
Paul
 

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Edit: Before you read my dissertation below, go to this www and select switch type KS-2. I think it will be what you are looking for: https://thmarinesupplies.com/products/saf-t-stop-kill-switches-for-boats

Since the KS-1 is listed for outboards specifically, and KS-2 is listed specifically for I/Os obviously there is a difference and what you are looking for. A quick call to a knowledgeable clerk could clear up any confusion........if you are board with nothing to do, then read my dissertation....grin.

The dissertation:
My service manual is for 2 stroke outboards of 75-125 HP between '94 and '05. It only lists the Commander 2000 which is the side mount TO the bulkhead, not IN the bulkhead like the 3000 with it's big black button to push for throttle only starting assist. Since I have replaced a 3000 with a 2000 on a different boat and everything worked accordingly, they must be pinned out and wired the same, and the 3000 in my current Crestliner is pinned out as is shown in the manual for the 2000.,,,,,

I'm making this distinction due to your saying the "Purple wire". Since you are running an I/O with a marine converted auto engine, they may have "rigged" your ignition off the Purple, switched power and as such your ignition would be shut down with the loss of 12v as would be the case with the ignition switch of the 3000 in the OFF position, or in the case of the switch you mentioned, it opened. Nothing magic about the switch. You can go online to ebay and buy a 10 amp SPST, water resistant switch for a song....the water resistant switch having a rubber boot over the toggle mechanism.....you didn't mention a lanyard type special switch.......thinking about it, that is what I have with my 3000....the switch is separate from the Commander 3000 unit. On my outboard engine you need to have the switch "closed" to kill triggers.....short them to ground. On your engine you need to "remove 12v" to kill the ignition which means, as you said, to OPEN on when activated. OKayeeeeee. Different ball game. I don't know who makes the switch but apparently there needs to be an opposite polarity lanyard safety switch for converted auto engine style ignition system.

I can't sleep, making the transition from -4F to +50F tonight, maybe I'll dig around and see what I can find.
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On the control internal wiring: The Red wire is hot 12v from the battery, via the engine wiring harness connector.
Purple or Red with Purple stripe is 12v power that has been applied to whatever needs "switched power" by the ignition switch being in the ON-START position.
Black/Yellow stripe is the Ignition Kill wire from the control and is grounded when the switch in in the OFF position, grounding the ignition signal in the CDI modules, or the Emergency Stop Switch has been energized....lanyard pulled out of the socket.....per the 2000 wiring diagram.

Apparently they left the Black/yellow stripe wire disconnected on the boat wiring and pulled out the purple wire from pin 2 of the wiring harness and interrupted it.
 
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AlThePal78

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Edit: Before you read my dissertation below, go to this www and select switch type KS-2. I think it will be what you are looking for: https://thmarinesupplies.com/products/saf-t-stop-kill-switches-for-boats
So I got an I/O engine on my boat. My boat had a switch with the 2 purple wires. Unfortunately I got the one with a black wire and a black and yellow stripe wire. The purple one was there for show and did not work nor was it connected. I am assuming I should make a cut in the purple wire and connect the black wire to one side of the purple wire and the other side to the black and yellow wire and it should work back wards?

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