Help with diagnostic

EvinFla

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Was recently running my engine at about 3500 rpm when I heard a large clunk sound out of the engine. Sounded like a gear shift, but very heavy. Happened while pulling a tube. Engine is a 1995 evinrude 115. Would anyone have any thoughts on what it might be. Happended a couple of times. Other than that, engine was running find with plenty of power?<br /><br />Thanks in advance
 

BRIAN03

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Re: Help with diagnostic

Clutch dog in the lower unit. Sometimes called the shifter also.
 

EvinFla

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Re: Help with diagnostic

When the shifter makes this loud Clunk, is it something to worry about, does anything need to be adjusted?
 

BRIAN03

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Re: Help with diagnostic

You need a new cluch dog and forward gear. Sometimes a gear set and clutch dog. Reseal the lower unit and put a new impeller while your in there. Parts are 650.00 and 400.00 in labor.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Help with diagnostic

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /> <br />This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".<br /> <br />Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.<br /> <br />When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.<br /><br />The lobes of the dog and gears are percisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are percisely machined with sharp angles!<br /> <br />Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those percisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.<br /> <br />Some boaters have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those percisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

BRIAN03

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Re: Help with diagnostic

The Clutch dog(shifter) has had failure from the wrong material it got spec from. It will round the edges of the clutch dog. The clutch dog failure due to material failure will have nothing to do with adjustment or the operation of the shifter by the operator.
 

EvinFla

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Re: Help with diagnostic

Joe & Brian,<br /><br />Thank you very much for the explanation.
 

R.Johnson

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Braian03: Where did you get this information from?
 

Joe Reeves

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RJ.... I can assure you it wasn't found in any manual or marine brochure of any kind.
 

BRIAN03

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All you have to do is look at the different materials they have been made of over the years. I guess you would have to have been thru the cobra's years with OMC. They had made 7 revisions on the clutch dog since 1986. They use the same clutch dog in the large outboard gear cases. You won't find that in an OMC book. I have never seen a manufacture admit they ever did anything wrong. OMC stand for Outboard Marine Corporation. They made sterndrive too. I have always said just because you have been doing something for 50 years doesnt mean you have been doing correct for 50 years. Look at a structural of materials chart. Materials fail for a reason.
 

BRIAN03

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Yamaha doesn't have clutch dog problems. 1. Yamaha techs know how to adjust the shift linkage better than OMC guys. 2. Yamaha owners shift there controls more aggressive. 3. Yamaha engineers spec a different material for there clutch dog than OMC has done for the past 30 years. I'm going to guess on number 3. The past will teach us if we look close to the clues. We really don't need a diseration on clutch dogs(shifters).
 

seahorse5

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Evinfla,<br /><br />Has the gearcase been removed recently such as for a water pump replacement? Has a control cable been moved or replaced for any reason? There is a critical shift rod adjustment that has to be checked whenever a gearcase is removed, and the shift cable adjustment has to be right on also. Any incorrect linkage problems may not allow full engagement of the clutch dog into gear and it may jump.<br /><br />If it is out of adjustment and it is fixed right away, you might get lucky and have it work fine. If the lugs on the clutch dog and gear are already rounded off from running it with a problem, then an expensive gearcase repair is in order.
 
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