HELP!!! FIXING UP THIS OLD, OLD HOUSE

JMPJCK

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Hi everyone,
Grandfather and I used to go fishing at New Hope just outside of Thornton, CA. He built his own wooden boat and we had so many good times cat fishing and digging for clams. He was an electrician in the US Navy for 31 years and stationed at Mare Island in Vallejo, CA where I was born. I’m in the process of making needed repairs to our three bedroom, one bath, with a few "tacked on" additions, home here, in Stockton, CA that was built in 1947. My husband, an electrician for the county did the electrical until his death three years ago. Ten months before that I had emergency surgery for colon/uterine cancer and all repairs went on hold. I could really use all the information I can get on the “how to” part of what I am doing around here.
My husband put in a new breaker box to replace the fuse type along with running a new service line to a meter and hooking everything up. I am faced with replacing the “knob and tube” electrical wiring that is the old two wire, single phase kind that was basically out of date when the house was built but was what the owner/builder knew and so here it is. The central heat and air was installed by the previous owner who was a heat and air man. He upgraded the gas floor furnace. The problem I now have is he installed the “monster” unit in the attic were the only access is a three ft opening into the attic. It hangs from the roof rafters on these long bolts. I’ve had to shut it down. The pulley that runs the motor had made a groove in the shaft over time and even though the set screw still holds enough to keep using it the groove that was made in the shaft makes the pulley wobble so much that is causes it to fall off in just a few weeks time. Also, it had water running up to it for the deionizer and the pipe running under one of the bedrooms was leaking. I still need to crawl under the house to find the tiny leak that showed under the carpeting that I removed in the second bedroom floor. It also had a problem where it would call for electricity when the thermostat was indicating that it should shut off. The great news is the roof is in good condition, asphalt shingles, except for the gaps that formed around some of the sealant that I have been going around patching up for winter. The wood floors are good except in the bathroom where I have removed the toilet and am in the process of opening the wall to have access to the plumbing to make repairs for the bathtub. I’ve repaired the floor area and just have to level the repair before putting the toilet back in. Of course in 1947 bathrooms around here were built tiny in size so I will need to finish opening up the bathtub wall before putting the toilet back. They are within inches of each other. I’m kind of camping out/in for now. I need to replace the gas hot water heater as my first “walk through” project. I’m replacing a 30 gallon with the same storage capacity size. I just need feedback on how to tackle the job. Any ideas you want to throw into the mix would be oh so much appreciated. I’ve painted the outside of the house and most of the inside. The biggest challenge is this is all new to me. I’ve never done house repairs before so I’m on the “learn-as-you-go” plan. I’m college educated in business administration/accounting. Now with cancer and not being able to have an outside job I’ve switched professions and have become a house repair expert in the making - LOL. We need to keep the laughter going because it is all that is getting me through this. Just eliminating the “I’m in this alone” feeling would be great.
Thanks everyone,
Patricia, Stockton, CA
I am adding my personal web site url to help everyone get a more clear picture of what this situation is all about. http://mypeoplepc.com/members/jspr007/patricia/id29.html Patricia
 
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LadyFish

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Welcome aboard Patricia! :) <br /><br />Be patient, we have a lot of doityourselfers here and they will be along to lend a hand to a damsel in distress soon.<br /><br />It sounds like you have your work cut out for you, but what a rewarding project it'll be when you start making big progress.<br /><br />Best wishes to you on your cancer recovery, this project should keep your mind off of it, if nothing else.
 

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JMPJCK, Im adding small point of use water heaters to my house, this will free up the space the previous HW heater occupied and buy me some time to have a good look at the gas lines etc. As I mentioned in a previous post the house has settled in numerous places and has had some add ons, some of the gas lines I can see appear to be under a load from the house and I am worried about their condition. So I amy be going "all electric" for the time being. I've never had natural gas before so I am a little nervous about it.
 

Ron G

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Sounds like a great a project,lots of work and frustrations at time,i know im in the process myself on older homes a remodel is always a learn as you go,just take your time and do one project at a time,dont jump around tearing things out,which one are you starting on first i dont that much about heating and air,but ill try to help with otherthings theres alot of guys here knowledgeble in all walks.good luck
 

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My best wishes for your continued recovery, and for you willingness to tackle these projects.<br /><br />Knob and tube: Stop by a hardware store and buy an electrical wiring book. It will show sample circuits, and rules for following to create safe circuits. If romex is allowed, you can retrofit it everywhere you can gain access, which might be a lot if you don't mind re-mudding the holes and access you create in the walls. Otherwise, surface mounted chanels along the base boards can be a life saver in electrical installations.<br /><br />The air handling unit in the attic makes a lot of sense. Cold air is happier coming from the top, down. Although access is limited, it should be energy efficient. I'm not sure what you mean by the pulley that drives the motor, but remove the offending shaft and pulley (including the motor or other device it is attached to, unless it is the compressor, then you have an issue with refrigeration lines) and take the shaft and pulley to a welder. He can fab up a new shaft, or weld the grove closed and polish it as good as new. He also might have some ideas on a better set screw, perhaps a flat area to allow the screw to seat better. I'm not sure why it was calling for electricity when it was supposed to be shut off, unless there is a humidistat somewhere that calls for cooling or air movement when the humidity is high, to reduce the humidity.<br /><br />The water heater requires sweating pipes to do the installation, and making a good gas connection. You need a book on plumbing, and it will tell you what to get, and how to handle the piping. I've found on older projects that the plumbing is sometimes eroding from the inside due to water hardness, so you want to watch for that, and replace any lengths of pipe you can get at if you notice some of that (assuming copper piping) If it is the old cast pipe, you might want to remove it and replace.<br /><br />I'm not an expert, but you can learn a lot from books, at least to know if you can tackle a job, or if you need a repair man. With a book, you can talk intelligently and know what he/she plans to do, and understand what is necessary and what isn't.<br /><br />Good luck<br />fp
 

LadyFish

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Well, there ya go....don'tcha just love those flyboys. :D
 

crab bait

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there's really nothing wrong with knob an tube wiring as far as fire hazard.. matter-o-fact,, it's safer as a fire hazard then regular wiring..<br /><br />it's more hazardous in the 'shock' department cause of no ground an 2-prong outlets.. <br /><br />ain't much you can do about it.. un-less you open up every wall an ceiling.. an replace..<br /><br />look,, it was ok with your electrician husband.. it's ok ,now.. <br /><br /><br />your pulley.. is/was because the set-screw wasn't tite from get-go.. i'd mix up some JB WELD..available at any hardware store..<br /><br /> it's an epoxy putty.. FOLLOW DIRECTIONS an dupe it on/under the pulley(with a toothpick) an the shaft on either side of the pulley ..<br /><br /> let it set-up cure for a couple days before use..<br /><br />make sure the pulley is set right ( notcocked ) before cure.. tell by 'eyeball'/looking at it..<br /><br />bad thing about this.. you'll never get the pulley off again.. ( but does that matter ?? )..<br /><br />if'n your thermostat is calling for 'OFF' an it's not.. i'd replace it.. they're cheap .. an lowes/depot sell's a programable one for 20 bucs.. program it to come on before you wake up.. an bedtime lower temp setting.. they're alsome..!! <br /><br /><br />look,, you need help.. more help then we can type..<br /><br />listen,, go to a tavern around 4:30.. get a glass-o-beer/wine.. an start talkin'.. there's plenty-o-construction guys there that you can talk to.. <br /><br />or go to lowes/depot an lurk around the different departments of the project that your doing.. SPEAK..!! TALK-UP..!! people will love to help.. <br /><br />good luck... hope i've helped.. liked your first paragraph very much..
 

JMPJCK

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Wow, thanks everyone for the great suggestions! You’re all terrific!!
I have JBWeld. Love the stuff! I’m interested in installing the PEX type. You know, that flexible system the can run hot and cold through a manifold system centrally located? Don’t know much about it but it seems like the way to go for an old house that you don’t want to spend a lot of time tearing up. Gas pipes seem in good condition. Only runs from the meter at the side of the house to the laundry room to run the hot water heater and gas dryer. The kitchen is all electric so the gas piping is minimal. I think the gas water heater will be a pull out and replace job. The electrical has some kind of current leakage in the system. Not any great amount but even on dead circuits so I want to upgrade the system for safety. Way down the road. I thought that running the raceway style where a person has complete access if any future upgrading would be good. So for now I will focus on replacing the hot water heater with a 30 gallon gas and research more about upgrading the water system to PEX.
Thnak you all again for your help. Mostly for making me know I am not alone in this. You are great!!
Patricia
 
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JMPJCK

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Oh, also with the electrical the wiring is the old fabric covered Romex. The circuit that feeds the old overhead exhaust in the kitchen that I'm replacing was saturated with old kitchen grease. Also, a lot of the system is patched together spaghetti. A total mess of wires running every witch way in the attic. I guess the person that tacked on the additions just patched together a bunch of wires. He also kind of just tacked on the additions also. How he ever got permits is a question I will always have.<br /><br />Patricia
 

Tyme2fish

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How he ever got permits is a question I will always have.<br /><br />PERMITS!!? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING PERMITS.
 

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WOW.. !! you're pretty amazin'..!!<br /><br />i'd sell/fire bomb the darn place an buy mi-ti's , shoes & jewlery.. :) ..
 

JMPJCK

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Oh, I forgot to mention. The gas pipes do run up to the attic to feed the 30+ year old central heat/air unit. I want to go back to using a gas floor furnace in the living room. That is what was here before the heat/air fellow that owned the place previous to us upgraded from. The old gas floor furnace was pulled and discarded but I imagine the exhaust pipe is still in the wall and there is the old hole in the living room floor that has been patched that can be easily gotten back into. I installed a great window air conditioning unit along with all the attic insulation keeps the place cool even on the hottest summer days. The old central heat/air is a giant money/energy waster. The pipes, gas/water, running up to it clatter in the walls. If I have to open the walls up to silence that noise I may as well use it as an opportunity to terminate the gas/water pipes that are old and not in the best shape anyway. I am basically simplifying everything as I have to tackle it to do repairs. I know the cancer I have is advanced and the doctors told us that the five year outlook does not look good but you have to live as though that was not the case. Also, if I do have to go back in for more surgery/treatment I will have to be able to take care of myself in this house. There is no way I could take care of myself here alone with the shape the house is in now. Being sick and trying to do everything alone is what gets to me the most.<br /><br />Patricia
 

Ron G

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Your never alone here.Lots of good people to talk to and to vent to.Hang in there,the pipes in the wall are galvinized or cooper?whats your water pressure like?
 

JMPJCK

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Dearest Ron,<br /><br />Pipes are galvinized. Pressure, not good at all. When I installed the sprinkler system eight years ago I tested the pressure and it was not even enough to run those water saver sprinkler heads. I had to put in several circuits just to get the coverage I wanted. Weekend water pressure is a bit better. I now water mostly by hand because I have been upgrading the landscaping and adding fruit trees and a garden so the old sprinkler system I installed needs to be modified somewhat. After I make the home livable and have a working bathroom!! LOL<br /><br />Patricia - Home repair expert wanna-be.
 

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Patricia i understand totally on the bathroom thats one of my next project too right now its only a 24" shower talking about cramped :)and toilet and sink,when you tear out the wall go ahead and change out the galvinied,you can do it a little at a time,was you planning on using cpvc?
 

JMPJCK

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Dearest Ron,<br /><br />That would be better than the galvanized in terms of not having to worry about any future corrosion problems. However, is Chlorinated Polyvinyl Chloride (CPVC) pipe safe for water coming into a home for human consumption? <br /><br />Patricia
 

JMPJCK

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Also, to prevent electrolytic action between two different metals I would have to consider using a non-metallic material or more galvanized piping. I don‘t like the galvanized piping because it wears out, corrodes over time. I would want to be sure that the non-metallic material I select to do the job was safe for human consumption. Any suggestions on this topic would be very helpful.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Patricia
 

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quote by JMPJCK:<br />__________________________________________________<br />I don‘t like the galvanized piping because it wears out, corrodes over time.<br />__________________________________________________<br />Not in our lifetime Pat.<br />Wow Pat I’m impressed with your knowledge of construction. My wife doesn’t have a clue about electrical or plumbing. She knows that a 2x4 is wood. It’s a start. :D
 

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cpvc is approved.. been used for years.. <br /><br />is galvanize good for human consumption..??<br /><br />is the water that follows thru ANY pipe good for human consumption..
 

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Howdy, Patricia.<br /><br />You say "Old, old house", but then you say it was built in 1947. That's not even 60 yet!<br /><br />To me, old is over 80 and old, old is over 100.<br /><br />My Mom told me about her visit to England in the 80s. She was out walking and came upon a man trimming his "garden" (back yard in USA). She admired it and asked him for his secrets. He told her about leveling and removing all rocks from the soil, seeding and rolling, and keeping it neatly trimmed for 600 years. His charming cottage was built in the 1400s, after his ever-so-great grandfather inherited the land from a relative who died of the black plague.<br /><br />That is an old, old house. :)
 
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