Hanoi Approved of Role Played By Anti-War Vets

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Tick, tick, tick.... <br /><br /><br />Hanoi Approved of Role Played By Anti-War Vets<br />BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun<br />October 26, 2004<br /><br />The communist regime in Hanoi monitored closely and looked favorably upon the activities of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War during the period Senator Kerry served most actively as the group's spokesman and a member of its executive committee, two captured Viet Cong documents suggest.<br /><br />The documents - one dubbed a "circular" and the other a "directive" - were captured in 1971 and are part of a trove of material from the war currently stored at the Vietnam Archive at Texas Tech University at Lubbock. Originally organized by Douglas Pike, a major scholar who is now deceased, the archive contains more than 20 million documents. Many are available online at the Virtual Vietnam Archive and, as the election has heated up, have been the focus of a scramble for insights into Mr. Kerry's anti-war activities. The Circular and the Directive are listed as items numbered 2150901039b and 2150901041 respectively. Their authenticity was confirmed by Stephen Maxner, archivist at the Vietnam Archive.<br /><br />The two documents provide a glimpse of the favorable way the Viet Cong viewed the activities in which Mr. Kerry was involved. They are from many documents of a kind that were ordinarily sent to a unit called the Captured Document Exploitation Center at the United States Military Assistance Command, Vietnam, which was headquartered in Saigon. Documents like these that were sent to the center were immediately translated into English and processed for battlefield intelligence for targeting or operations as required, or filed.<br /><br />The CDEC cover sheet of the "Directive" indicates it was "acquired" on May 12, 1971. The cover sheet itself is dated June 30, 1971, and is entitled "VC Efforts to Back Antiwar Demonstrations in the United States." It shows a detailed knowledge of such VVAW activities as the Dewey Canyon demonstration on the Mall in Washington in April 1971, mentioning the "return of their medals." And the Saigon American military intelligence cover sheet dates the information in that document as being assembled in Vietnam only a week after the Washington VVAW demonstration had taken place.<br /><br />The CDEC Viet Cong document titled "Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US" notes, "The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and guidance from the friendly (VC/NVN) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks." It also notes that "The seven-point peace proposal (of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary Government) [the Viet Cong proposal advanced by one of its envoys, Madame Binh, operating out of Paris] not only solved problems concerning the release of US prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar movement."<br /><br />The significance of the documents lies in the way they dovetail with activities of the young Mr. Kerry as he led the VVAW anti-war movement in the spring of 1971.<br /><br />It was in April that he gave his testimony to the Senate, in which he accused American GIs of having committed war crimes and belittled the idea that there was a communist threat to America. Mr. Kerry had already had, in June of 1970, a meeting in Paris with enemy diplomats, ostensibly, he has indicated, to get a sense of how American prisoners held in Hanoi might be freed. Two historians believe Mr. Kerry made a second trip to Paris in the summer of 1971 and held further talks with the North Vietnamese. The Kerry campaign has denied this.<br /><br />FBI surveillance and Mr. Kerry's own statements have established his two visits to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegations to the Paris Peace Talks as taking place in June of 1970 and August of 1971.<br /><br />An FBI surveillance report dated November 11, 1971, has also established that Mr. Kerry and Al Hubbard, the executive director of the VVAW who had brought Mr. Kerry into the organization, planned to return to meet with them again in Paris on November 15, 1971.<br /><br />A November 24, 1971, FBI surveillance report disclosed that Mr. Hubbard had also had meetings on his own with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegations in Paris. It noted that he had reported at a national meeting of the VVAW in Kansas City that the Communist Party of the United States had paid his expenses for the most recent one.<br /><br />The purpose of these meetings by the two top VVAW members, Messrs. Hubbard and Kerry, has always been assumed to be informational. But the documents in the Texas archive suggest another possibility. On July 23, 1971, The New York Times reported that Mr. Kerry held a demonstration in Washington in support of the "seven-point peace proposal" and, according to the Times, "Mr. Kerry, who is 27 years, introduced wives, parents and sisters of prisoners to plead for support."<br /><br />The Times's dispatch stated that Mr. Kerry charged "...the latest Vietcong peace offer in Paris, which promises the release of prisoners as American troops are withdrawn, is being ignored by Mr. Nixon..."<br /><br />The circular in the Texas archive states, "The antiwar movements in the US are trying to find means to cooperate... They are also trying by all means to support the seven-point peace proposal (of the PRG) [Viet Cong] and oppose the distorted interpretation made by the White House, the Pentagon and CIA."<br /><br /><br />In case you all missed it, here is another recent article from Thom<br /><br />Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge<br />BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun<br />October 13, 2004<br /><br />An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.<br /><br />The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.<br /><br />According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.<br /><br />A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.<br /><br />The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.<br /><br />The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?<br /><br />NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."<br /><br />Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.<br /><br />The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."<br /><br />For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.<br /><br />Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."<br /><br />The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.<br /><br />Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.<br /><br />Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.<br /><br />If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."<br /><br />There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.
 

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Maybe this will get some MSM attention - NOT! Watch the video. Link below...<br /><br />KERRY CAMPAIGN FINANCED BY TERRORISTS<br />October 18, 2004<br /><br />Written by: Andy Wilcoxson<br /><br />Introduction<br /><br />John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, is being given money by an Albanian terrorist organization known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA or UCK in Albanian).<br /><br />The KLA is currently smuggling weapons into Kosovo as part of a plot to attack American and other UN peacekeepers, should the UN Security Counsel refuse their demand for Kosovo's secession from Serbia and Montenegro.<br /><br />About the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA/UCK)<br /><br />In order to fully understand the significance of John Kerry's involvement with the KLA it is first necessary to understand what sort of an organization the KLA is. The KLA is a terrorist organization with ties to Osama bin Laden and the Iranian government. The KLA's main objective is to break Kosovo, which has been an integral part of Serbia for centuries, away from Serbia. <br /><br />The KLA began on the radical fringe of Kosovo-Albanian politics, originally made up of diehard Marxist-Leninists as well as by descendants of the fascist militias raised by the Italians in World War II. [1] <br /> <br />The KLA made its military debut in February 1996 with the bombing of several camps housing Serbian refugees from wars in Croatia and Bosnia. [2] <br /><br />In early 1998 the KLA caught the attention of the U.S. Special Envoy for Kosovo, Robert Gelbard. Gelbard told Agence France Presse "We condemn very strongly terrorist actions in Kosovo. The UCK is, without any questions, a terrorist group." [3]<br /><br />The KLA has been credibly linked to the notorious terrorist Osama bin Laden. In 1999 The Washington Times obtained intelligence documents that showed what is described as a 'link' between bin Laden, and the KLA --including a common staging area in Tropoje, Albania, a center for Islamic terrorists. The reports said bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization has both trained and financially supported the KLA. [4]<br /><br />In 1998 Fatos Klosi, the head of SHIK, the Albanian intelligence service, told London’s Sunday Times newspaper that Bin Laden had visited Albania himself. His was one of several fundamentalist groups that had sent units to fight in Kosovo, Klosi said. [5]<br /><br />In 2002 the U.S. State Department issued a report giving Iran the dubious distinction of being "the most active state sponsor of terrorism." Their report went on to report that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security were involved in the planning of and support for terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals. [6]<br /><br />The Jerusalem Post reported that Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen were training the KLA in 1998. The newspaper said that "Selected groups of Albanians were sent to Iran to study that country's version of militant Islam." The same article went on to report that "millions of dollars have been funneled through Bosnia and Albania to buy arms for the KLA. The money is raised from both Islamic governments and from Islamic communities in Western Europe, particularly Germany." [7]<br /><br />Yossef Bodansky, the Director of the U.S. House Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, wrote a report for the magazine Defense and Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy saying that "In the Fall of 1997, the uppermost leadership in Tehran ordered the IRGC [Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps] High Command to launch a major program for shipping large quantities of weapons and other military supplies to the Albanian clandestine organizations in Kosovo. [Ayatollah] Khamene'i's instructions specifically stipulated that the comprehensive military assistance was aimed to enable the Muslims 'to achieve the independence' of the province of Kosovo."<br /><br />Bodansky's article corroborates the Jerusalem Post's account. He wrote that in 1997 "the Iranians began sending promising Albanian and UCK commanders for advanced military training in al-Quds [special] forces and IRGC camps in Iran." [8]<br /><br />In addition to the direct financing that the KLA receives from Islamic terror organizations, the organization also relies on funds raised by the Albanian mafia. [9]<br /><br />The Baltimore Sun, citing western intelligence officials, reported that part of the KLA's funding comes from "powerful Albanian mafia organizations that deal in narcotics, prostitution and arms smuggling across Europe." [10]<br /><br />The London Times reported that the KLA was "an outgrowth of the Kosovo Albanian mafia." Their report said, "these Kosovan criminals operate the most powerful drug-running network in Europe." [11]<br /><br />According to police in the Czech Republic, Kosovo Albanian drug traffickers fund the KLA with proceeds from the heroin trade. "Kosovo Albanian drug smugglers have become a major phenomenon," said Jiri Komorous, head of the Czech Republic's national narcotics police, who added that his heroin division "spends about 80 percent of its time" on Kosovar drug gangs. [12]<br /><br />Interpol estimates that Kosovo Albanians may control 40 percent of the European heroin trade. In Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and the Czech Republic, they may have as much as 70 percent of the market, according to the estimates. [13]<br /><br />In addition to drug trafficking. The KLA kidnaps women and young girls and forces them into prostitution. <br /><br />During NATO's 1999 bombardment of Yugoslavia, which resulted in the exodus of hundreds of thousands of Kosovo refugees, the KLA robbed refugee families and forced refugee girls into prostitution. <br /><br />According to the London Times, "Reports from Macedonia and Albania confirm that KLA 'minders' [inside the refugee camps] ensure that all refugees peddle the same line when speaking to Western journalists. KLA gangsters rob them of any remaining cash. And KLA ****s driving Mercedes kidnap refugee girls for prostitution in Italy." [14]<br /><br />The Albanian mafia's involvement in prostitution is huge. In 2001 The Economist, citing an internal British Home Office briefing, reported that "Albanians or Kosovars now control 'around 70%' of massage parlors in Soho. That ties in with a report last year [2000] by the National Criminal Intelligence Service, which noted a long-term threat from organized Albanian gangs who run immigration and prostitution rackets across Western Europe to pursue their goals." <br /><br />The article says that there is "little the police can do. They say that immigrant sex workers refuse to testify because the gangs threaten reprisals against the women's loved ones. Since these groups operate internationally, the British police cannot protect the families of the workers. They are powerless against such intimidation." <br /><br />Paul Holmes, who heads London's Metropolitan Police's Vice Unit says "All our intelligence and evidential experience is that these women are being used, effectively as sexual slaves, by ruthless, exploitative ****s." Tackling prostitution is harder than ever. But it is not the sex that is the problem. It is the slavery. [15]<br /><br />The Albanian mafia has become extremely powerful as a world-wide criminal force. The effects of the Albanian mafia are even being felt in the United States where they are taking over organized crime.<br /><br />The FBI says, thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime. [16] <br /><br />According to Chris Swecker, the head of the FBI's criminal division, Albanian gangsters have already seized control of some rackets from New York Mafia families. [17] <br /><br />John Kerry and the KLA<br /><br />The leader of the KLA is a man named Hashim Thaci. Thaci, who goes under the nom de guerre "Snake," attended the Democratic Party’s convention in Boston earlier this year. <br /><br />Upon returning from the convention, Thaci told the Albanian-Language KosovaLive agency, "It was a very successful visit at the Democratic Convention, where the PDK [Thachi's political party] had been invited as a guest. It was confirmed once again that the Democratic authorities would recognize and respect the will of the people of Kosova for self-determination" [18]<br /><br />In addition to the KLA leader's attendance at the Democratic Convention was the presence of KLA members at a John Kerry fundraiser in New York.<br /><br />In September, the Dutch Television station VPRO produced a documentary entitled "De Brooklyn Connectie." This documentary follows a KLA terrorist named Florin Kraniqi as he attends a John Kerry fundraiser, and then smuggles weapons into Kosovo for a war that is being planned against American and other UN Peacekeepers there.<br /> <br /><br />The video can be downloaded from the VPRO website at:<br /><br /> http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/18793157/ <br /><br />Kraniqi lives in Brooklyn, where he allegedly works as a roofer; although his big house, his shiny new car, and his swimming pool, suggest that he makes money in other ways.<br /><br />The first few minutes of the video consist of Kraniqi praising the KLA and accusing the Serbs. <br /><br />At the 11:08 mark of the video, he goes to a John Kerry fundraiser together with a group of KLA members. They are shown writing checks to the Kerry campaign for thousands of dollars each.<br /><br />While at the fundraiser, they openly identify themselves as the KLA. Kraniqi is seen introducing himself and his brothers-in-arms to Wesley Clark (Commander of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and former Democratic presidential candidate). Kraniqi says, "Mr. Clark. This is your group, your KLA." Clark then praises the group saying, "They fought against tremendous odds."<br /><br />Then, Richard Holbrooke (Kerry's Sr. Foreign Policy Adviser), who apparently knows one of the terrorists, comes over and jokingly says, "He almost got me killed." To which Kraniqi quips, "He would not let his Kalashnikov go. He will keep his Kalashnikov." Then Holbrooke, Clark, and this group of KLA terrorists all have a good laugh.<br /><br />It is rather disturbing to see these high officials in the Democratic Party having such a relaxed and friendly exchange with a group of terrorists, eventhough they have just given thousands of dollars to John Kerry’s campaign.<br /><br />Kraniqi makes clear that he expects a quid-pro-quo for his donation. He says, "With money you can do amazing things in this country. Senators and congressmen are looking for donations. If you fund them and raise the money they need for their campaign they pay you back."<br /><br />At the 29:03 mark of the video, Kraniqi visits a gun store and purchases weapons to use in Kosovo. From this point forward you get to see how the KLA smuggles weapons into Kosovo, disguising them as humanitarian aid and so forth.<br /><br />Near the end of the video, at the 46:00 mark, you finally learn why the KLA has been smuggling all of those weapons into Kosovo. The Dutch TV reporter says, "In Pristina I talked to the NATO spokesman and he told me that he was very successful in disarming the Albanians."<br /><br /><br />Kraniqi laughs and replies, "It's a NATO propaganda. No one ever is going to disarm Albanians. There is no way. No NATO, no one is going to disarm Albanians. [...] NATO can collect a few arms. But most Albanians in Kosovo are very well armed. Just incase NATO pulls out, or we don't get our independence peacefully then we'll use those weapons."<br /><br />Because the video has been edited, the end of this conversation is way back at the 4:08 mark (you can tell that it is part of the same conversation because he is standing in front of the same wall, in the same lighting conditions, and wearing the same clothes).<br /><br />The Dutch Reporter asks: "It's going to be war?"<br /><br />Kraniqi replies: "Hope not, but if it is were ready; if not this spring then the next one. If Kosova does not get its independence there will be a war."<br /><br />In case you are unaware of this fact, the only ones in Kosovo that the KLA can have a war with are the UN peacekeeping troops, which include Americans. The Serbs all withdrew in 1999 after the NATO bombing.<br /><br />This is not such a thinly veiled threat, Kraniqi is saying that if the KLA does not get its way then it will attack the UN Troops who are stationed in Kosovo, and those UN troops include Americans.<br /><br />These terrorists have already shown that they are not afraid to attack the UN. In September, UCK sniper attacks on UN vehicles forced the UN to stop using the Kosovska Mitrovica-Leposavic road between 9:00 PM and 6:00 AM. [19] <br /><br />Conclusion<br /><br />The KLA is clearly a terrorist organization. It is backed by Islamic terror organizations. It is linked both to Osama bin Laden and to the Government of Iran. It is heavily involved in drug trafficking and forced prostitution. <br /><br />The KLA is directly threatening the safety of American personnel stationed in Kosovo. They’re smuggling weapons in for a war against a UN force that includes Americans, and they’re so brazen that they’ll do for everybody to see on Dutch national TV.<br /><br />John Kerry, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee from 1993 until 2000, must know who the KLA is, but he clearly doesn’t care. <br /><br />Instead of condemning the KLA, Kerry takes money from them. And instead of distancing itself from the KLA, Kerry's party invites the KLA's leader to come to their convention in Boston. <br /><br />The United States of America, was brutally attacked by terrorists on 9/11, we are in a life or death struggle against terrorism, and here is John Kerry taking money from terrorists; if there was ever anybody that we needed to keep out of the White House it’s John Kerry.
 

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Have either of these passed a factcheck?<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised by either, but I would be very embarrassed for the right if they are fabrications or distortions.<br /><br />See my thread, "Why do they think they have to lie?"
 

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Yup, these have been out there for a while. Lipscomb is a respected journalist and you can see him on Foxnews at about 6:15 tonight with Brit Hume talking about this stuff. As for the KLA story you can watch the video (a Dutch documentary) and see it for yourself....<br /><br />I know it's hard to believe that the MSM hasn't even tried to cover these stories but that just shows you what is really going on right now.
 

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At least Kerry served! I feel sorry for the poor service man who may want to 30 years from now want the serve in public office because but is a afraid to because the same ingrates are going to tear him up and down like Kerry you should be ashamed of yourselfs. Radio shows like Rush has done more to divide the country and pit American against American. Remember WE ARE ALL AMERICAN'S and damn proud of it...........
 

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Factcheck's got zip.. zero.. nada.. Nothing.. Can't find anything on the www that can either confirm or deny any of the above, just links to the articles...<br /><br />Probably nothing more than worthless right wing cannon fodder...
 

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Well it looks like it is going to come to light a little too late:<br /><br />Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer<br />BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun<br />November 1, 2004<br />URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/4040 <br /><br />A former officer in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve has built a case that Senator Kerry was other than honorably discharged from the Navy by 1975, The New York Sun has learned.<br /><br />The "honorable discharge" on the Kerry Web site appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Mr. Kerry's record, according to Mark Sullivan, who retired as a captain in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve in 2003 after 33 years of service as a judge advocate. Mr. Sullivan served in the office of the Secretary of the Navy between 1975 and 1977.<br /><br />On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted that all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site atjohnkerry.com, except for his medical records.<br /><br />"If that is the case," Mr. Sullivan said, "the true story isn't what was on the Web site. It's what's missing. There should have been an honorable discharge certificate issued to Kerry in 1975,if not earlier, three years after his transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive."<br /><br />Another retired Navy Reserve officer, who served three tours in the Navy's Bureau of Personnel, points out that there should also have been a certified letter giving Mr. Kerry a choice of a reserve reaffiliation or separation and discharge. If Mr. Meehan is correct and all the documents are indeed on the Web site, the absence of any documents from 1972 to 1978 in the posted Kerry files is a glaring hole in the record.<br /><br />The applicable U.S. Navy regulation, now found at MILPERSMAN 1920-210 "Types of Discharge for Officers," lists five examples of conditions required to receive an honorable discharge certificate, four required to receive a general discharge "not of such a nature as to require discharge under conditions other than honorable," and seven for "the lowest type of separation from the naval service. It is now officially in all respects equivalent to a dishonorable discharge."<br /><br />Kerry spokesmen have also repeatedly said that the senator has an honorable discharge. And there is indeed a cover letter to an honorable discharge dated February 16,1978,on the Kerry Web site. It is in form and reference to regulation exactly the same as one granted Swiftboat Veterans for Truth member Robert Shirley on March 12, 1971, during a periodic "reduction in force (RIF)" by the Naval Reserve. The only significant difference between Mr. Kerry's and Mr. Shirley's is the signature information and the dates. In a RIF, officers who no longer have skills or are of an age group the Navy wishes to keep in reserve are involuntarily separated by the Navy and given their appropriate discharge. This is a normal and ongoing activity and there is no stigma attached to it.<br /><br />Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.<br /><br />"Mr. Meehan may well be right and all Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site," Mr. Sullivan said. "Unlike en listed members, officers do not receive other than honorable, or dishonorable, certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor. The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial."<br /><br />With the only discharge document cited by Mr. Kerry issued in 1978, three years after the last date it should have been issued, the absence of a certificate from 1975 leaves only two possibilities. Either Mr. Kerry received an "other than honorable" certificate that has been removed in a review purging it from his records, or even worse, he received no certificate at all. In both cases there would have been a loss of all of Mr. Kerry's medals and the suspension of all benefits of service.<br /><br />Certainly something was wrong as early as 1973 when Mr. Kerry was applying to law school.<br /><br />Mr. Kerry has said, "I applied to Harvard, Boston University, and Boston College. I was extremely late. Only BC would entertain a late application."<br /><br />It is hard to see why Mr. Kerry had to file an "extremely late" application since he lost the congressional race in Lowell, Mass., the first week of November 1972 and was basically doing nothing until he entered law school the following September of 1973.A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.<br /><br />The fact that Mr. Kerry had cancelled his candidacy for a Congressional seat in 1970 in favor of Father Robert Drinan cannot have hurt Mr. Kerry's admission to Boston College. The Reverend Robert Drinan's previous position was dean of the Boston College Law School.<br /><br />Given this, it is likely that a legal review took place that effectively purged Mr. Kerry's Navy files and arranged for the three-year-late honorable discharge in 1978.There were two avenues during the 1977-1978 time period. This could have been under President Carter's Executive Order 11967, under which thousands received pardons and upgrades for harsh discharges or other offenses under the Selective Service Act. Or it might have merged into efforts by the military to comply with the demands of the 1975 Church Committee. Mr. Sullivan was personally involved in the 1976 and 1977 records review answering Senator Kennedy's demands to determine the scope of any counterintelligence abuses by the military.<br /><br />In the Foreign Surveillance Act of 1977, legislation introduced by Mr. Kennedy to enforce the findings of the Church Committee, there is language that literally describes the behavior of Mr. Kerry. The defined behavior that could no longer be subject to surveillance without warrants includes: "Americans having contact with foreign powers in the case of Americans who were active in the protest against U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Some of them may have attended international conferences at which there were representatives of foreign powers, as defined in the bill, or may have been directly in communication with foreign governments concerning this issue."<br /><br />One of Mr. Kerry's first acts of office as he entered the Senate on January 3, 1985, was making sure what was still in the Navy files. A report was returned to Mr. Kerry by a Navy JAG on January 25, 1985, and appears on the Kerry Web site. There is an enclosure listed that may have contained a list of files, according to David Myers, the JAG who prepared it, that is not on Mr. Kerry's Web site. It could have provided an index for all of Mr. Kerry's Navy files.<br /><br />All officials with knowledge of what specifically happened in Mr. Kerry's case are muzzled by the Privacy Act of 1974.The act makes it a crime for federal employees to knowingly disclose personal information or records.<br /><br />Only Mr. Kerry can do that. As of this writing, Mr. Kerry has failed to sign a Standard Form 180 giving the electorate and the press access to his Navy files.<br /><br /> http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=4040
 

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A coworker who is a Kerry fan stopped by my desk this AM and told me he had been listening to a broadcast this morning and it appears that Kerry received a Other Than Honorable discharge...but, I haven't found any evidence of this in the news, but maybe some other more enlightnened one can add to this...I understand that for an officer, there are only 2 discharges offered...Honorable, and Other Than...
 

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Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged....<br /><br />A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar....<br /><br /> http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=4040
 
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