Good Deal or Not???

kev_79

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In my quest for an old junker, I came across a 1978 Century 19' with a 5 liter, 228 hp I/O, with a tandem axle trailer. <br /><br />That's as good as I can make it sound, now for the bad.<br /><br />It has a 2 foot very thin crack in the hull, and the cover fell through, so I need a new floor. Seats aren't torn, but are an ugly brown. He said it ran when he parked it (Don't they all!), and I have talked him down to $600. Am I reaming myself, or have I struck gold?????<br /><br />Also, anybody have any experience with cracked hulls, I have used fiberglass resin on cars, but not upside down on something that might sink if I screw up!!<br />Thanks in advance :D :D
 

fone_man

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

My thoughts on thing are...<br /><br />228 HP Mercrusier 5.0/305 4 bbl & out drive are worth $600.00 in parts alone...<br /><br />Boy... I remember those tan/brown seats... ugly!!!<br /><br />As for "fiberglass" repairs... I leave for professionals... but that is me as I have never had to have any done, so I haven't done any myself!!!<br /><br /> :cool:
 

Fouled Plug

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

If you will have the floor out to replace it, you may have access to the whole crack from the inside of the hull. That not only make the repair easier, but getting it "pretty" isn't an issue. You can go hog wild with the matting and resin and really beef it up. As for the powertrain, I'd check the lube in the drive, the engine oil, and try to turn it over with a breaker bar on the crank if you can't with the starter. If she's froze up, it'll be an even bigger project.
 

grandx

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

Kev, just so happens that I am a fiber glass man. This crack you speak about.. Is it through the entire thickness of the hull, or is it just a surface crack (gel coat). I find it hard to believe it could be thru and thru the hull without some sign of a large impact nearby (where the boat was run into a stump or dock). No need to worry about sinking because of a gel coat crack, the other is a different matter. Sand down and remove the crack entirely before repairing. Cracks tend to propagate if not removed completely, gel coat and otherwise. If it is just gel coat it won't be that deep. As you sand the crack out, you can dye the area and wipe it clean. If the crack is still there you will not be able to clean the dye out of the crack, thus you will still see it. Many gel cout repair kits out there for filling area back in. If the crack is deep into the glass reinforcement, I'd take it to a "trusted" professional for repairs.
 

kev_79

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

grandx,<br /> Could you give me a quick synapse of what is involved if it is all the way through the hull? :confused:
 

grandx

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

Kev, <br />In the event that the crack is though the reinforced wall of the hull, this is a structural problem. Like I said cracks tend to grow (think about your windshield when it gets cracked) looks fine at first then grows, and grows, etc. Fiber glass is a strong and relatively light weight building material consisting of glass fibers (for strenth) and a resin for a binding matrix to hold the glass fibers together. The resin itself is not very strong, just strong enough to hold and transmit forces from one fiber to the next etc. If the crack is all the way through, you have broken glass fibers the full length of the crack, making it easy for the next fiber in line to break when stressed. <br />One method to stop crack propagation is to drill a nice round hole at either end of the crack, centering a 1/4" or better" drill bit at either end of the crack. This would prevent the crack stresses on focusing on a few individual fibers while trying to grow, and spread it out over a nicely rounded area. Now two holes in your hull is not going to help much, you would then grind a trough from from the outside and fill holes and crack with gel coat type stuff. The structural repair would have to be from the inside (where you don't see it and it can be raised/widened around the crack). Sand Sand Sand (remove all gloss from around the crack) full length, and 2-3" or more all around the crack, clean up w/ acetone or similar non oily solvent, don't be afraid to remove some of the old reinforcement, you will be replacing it with better. Then patch with thin layers of woven type cloth (not chopped mat), as many layers as you can and as wide as you can. Picture a wide "band aid" bonding to either side of the crack to hold it together. Roll the saturated layers out with a squigy to reduce the resin content, remember resin is weak, a high glass content is preferrable for strength. Also I would use an epoxy type resin not polyester, Epoxies are stronger, although your boat is made of polyester epoxy will bond better. If you let your layers get hard between applications, you must sand down the areas before applying the next. You can't get the layers too thick, as the resin reacts with the hardener the chemical reaction can be quite violent "exotherm" and blow gas bubbles through your work "not preferred". To get the full chemical and physical strength from the epoxy, you might somehow post cure it after is sets up by itself with some external heat (say 200 -250F). If you supply me with a small section of your new laminate (20-50mg), I'll run a quick test on it and tell you if it is fully cured (Differential Scanning Calorimetry). I think you studied chemistry for a while, does any of this make sense? <br />I would think this is how a cracked hull repair would go, but I would ask someone in the business to see if they agree. I'd still bet your crack is superficial, if you don't see some larger circular cracking in the vacinity. <br /><br />I know this wasn't too short...but I hope you can use some of it.<br /><br />Remember, the only thing worse than sinking is catching fire!<br /><br />GrandX
 

kev_79

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grandx,<br /> Yes, I studied chemistry, and it makes perfect sense. I really appreciate you taking them time, I said short so it wouldn't wear you out typing, but I am greatful that you were precise. I am going to do it myself, hopefully with the help of you and others. If it sinks, o well, I have insurance, and about 600 dollars in it initially. I haven't gotten the boat yet, I am just going on what the guy told me. I have reason to believe it is structural because he said it was taking on water. He said that people he talked to, one knowing a bit about boats, said that it looked like it was from wear, somehow. He assured me he didn't hit anything. Anyhow, I will have it home by sunday to examine, and if you don't mind, I would like to seek your help in this endeavour. Thanks again :D <br /><br />BTW: do you know anything about how boats have that shiny look, and how they get their color. Is it paint under a gel coat or what??
 

grandx

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Re: Good Deal or Not???

The shiny look is the gelcoat, the color is the gelcoat pigmented. The sunlight (UV) rays oxidize most everything, boat gelcoats have inhibitors in them, but they don't last forever. I have never done it, but I hear putting a new gel coat on is a real pain in the a**. Gel coat is similar to a real thick paint, mixed with hardener, so it has a finite pot life (you have to do small sections at a time). They do make some good marine polyurethane paints now, and should be much easier to apply than gel coats after the proper prep work is done. I'm no expert on finishes, but I hear the paint will last for 5-7 years where the gel coat will last longer. I'm thinking about painting mine this winter. Of course if you keep it out of the sun, it will last longer than not. If your gel coat is not too far gone, you may get some shine out of it by using a rubbing compound to remove the oxidized layers then apply a couple of coats of good marine wax. I reccomend an electric buffer for this (lots of square inches on a boat) I know I've seen every inch of mine.<br /><br />Oh, I also would have bought it for $600 if I didn't already have plenty to work on.<br /><br />Best of luck,<br />GrandX
 

kev_79

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Thanks again grandx and others who replied, I will be looking at it on monday, and I would enjoy the experience of you all.
 
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