Glastron vs FourWinns with the consolidated plant

void7910

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I know people like to poop on Glastron but I am genuinely interested in the differences now that Glastron and Four Winns are rolling out of the same plant.

I was comparing a 2020 Glastron GT 205 and 2020 FourWinns H210 and while the hulls are clearly different designs a lot of the interior and exterior amenities were very similar; dash similarities, gauges, stainless pop up cleats, same stereo etc. The vinyl on the four winns is advertised as hand stitched and “luxurious” so I can guess the quality of the seating is much higher.

What I am really interested in the hull construction. They are both advertised as a fibreglass stringer system. If you compare the weight of the boats (they even have the same merc 4.5) they are within 80-140 lbs of each other once you adjust for cubic volume or sq ft (length by beam), with the four winns being the slightly heavier of the two. I can guess that given the weights are so close they are using roughly the same thickness of fibreglass and foam etc.

RecBoat Holdings even mentioned in an article that they’re driving cost savings through consolidation of the 3 brands (wellcraft, fourwinns, glastron) into a single plant. The similarities between at least Glastron and FourWinns show they are also sharing some components between the lines.

With all the similarities I am wondering what actually causes the four winns to sold for over 20K more?

Interior amenities can”t be all. I assume the Glastrons may have a different lay up schedule, for example hand laid and chop gun vs maybe more hand laid in the FourWinns?

Interested in where you think they are driving savings in the Glastron line or in maybe there’s also a premium for the four winns name on top of the quality differences?
 

Scott Danforth

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Same reason a Cadillac Escalade is $20k more than a Chevy suburban
 

void7910

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Haha yes. Creature comforts and brand recognition drive things up. I was thinking about this as well with my old Acura EL being an upmarket Civic with better soundproofing, interior etc.

I am interested to know how far deep it goes with Glastron and Four Winns though. If it is really mostly comforts and brand or if there are structural differences.
 

JimS123

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Interior amenities can”t be all. I assume the Glastrons may have a different lay up schedule, for example hand laid and chop gun vs maybe more hand laid in the FourWinns?
Are any front line boats made with chopper guns today?
 

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Maybe you should get yourself a factory tour at the factory in Cadillac, MI and see first hand. Keep in mind that combining things into one factory would allow for some economies of scale for common processes (like upholstery, engine installation, etc.) but the boats would still be of their original design and construction, unless and until the parent company decided to change the design and construction.

You may be able to find (Google search) some factory tour pictures/videos that give some evidence as to the details of materials and methods. However, if you are looking at the 2 different boats (Glastron and 4Winns) you can look 'behind the shine' and tell if they are chopper gun, hand laid glass, wood, etc.
 

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usually construction methods are commonized when they migrate brands under one roof. wouldnt make sense to vacuum infuse one mold, then put all the equipment away to drag out other equipment to chopper gun the next boat.

what you will find..... brand A gets stainless deck hardware ($1000), brand B gets plastic hardware ($100). Brand A gets docking lights ($500), brand B doesnt ($0). brand A gets 3 colors of vinyl with a french top-stitch ($10k) where brand B gets 2 colors of vinyl without a top stick ($7k). Brand A gets full curved glass ($5k) where brand B gets mostly flat partially curved panels ($3k)

subtle differences can add up quickly

things that will be common
wiring (~$500)
gauges (~$300)
radio (~$30)
motors and drives (~$11k)
hull materials and construction
 
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