Generators vs invertors

SS MAYFLOAT

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GOOD MORNING AMERICA! :D <br />I've got some questions on cabin power. My cabin presently has two systems that work. the 12vdc and the 110vac. The 110vac is the one I need some help with. The dockside power circuit works just fine, but most docks does not have dock power. So just over a weekend, my secondary battery can get over used by using the 12vdc circuit to run all my accessories. Then when I try to use an invertor to run the few things I wish to, the battery supply deminishes quickly causing me to have to revert to my primary battery. Once the engine is started, I do recharge the primary battery, and then switch to the secondary to recharge it. But however, while the engine is charging the battery with the invertor on, the battery just does not seem to accept a charge from the charging system. Voltage check at the batteries shows that there is 14.6vdc at the batteries, so I know that the altenator is working. My invertor is a small 600 watt unit. It is my second one. The first one burnt, don't know why. Purchased another one and it now has failed after about 48 hours of use. I do know that you are not to use any inductive type loads on these such as flourescent light, lights with dimmers swithces, or any thing that has a transformer to step it back down to a lower voltage. I was very careful in what I was using, but it still overloaded and cooked. Not the kinda thing you want on the water. So now here is my questions. What can I do to produce about 2KW of power with out an invertor? Is there a altenator that can supply 110 off of the engine? If so, is it USCG approved? Portable generators on board a boat legal? Hate to go that route since space and weight is a problem. I'm on the heavy side now. Any help would be greatly appreaciated. Thanks to all you Captains, and First Mates, Fly your Stars and Bars proudly, without you, we wouldn't have our toys and our wonderful freedom! I am a ex sailor and have seen how other countries are, there is NOTHING and NOBODY like us. This IS the greatest country to belong to. I must say that the Mayfloat is very roud to be an AMERICAN :D Thanks again.....
 

martinwinte

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Re: Generators vs invertors

AMEN on being an Americian. I'm sorry... I do not know any answers to your questtions... I BELIVE (note belive) that generators are legal on a boat (some dive boats use gas operated air compressors on thier boats). Anyway if they are why not look into splitting the load between an inverter and a generator (there are some small 1000 watt generators out there) and get the generator with a built in battery charger (nice thing to have away from shore). Just a thought.
 

Fouled Plug

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Re: Generators vs invertors

What 110 volt accessories are you running? I don't know of any main engine-driven devices to make 110, but if your needs are 600 watts or less there are some nice choices in small generators. Perhaps mounted in a small enclosure on the deck or swim step?
 

what200

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Re: Generators vs invertors

I don't know if it would work for you, but northern tool sells a belt driven generator design to be an add on for car/truck. If you had enough room I bet you could make it work.<br />I think they have a web site: northerntool.com
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Generators vs invertors

I plan to be installing air condition, plus I operate the hot water heater now on dockside power, but would like to operate it out on the lake. Other things is like lights, refrigerator (even though it does have dual voltage) coffee pot, TV, DVD player, and if I can have the extra power, a small ice maker. I would probably run the high consumption items while everything else is off. Thanks for the help. :)
 

ODDD1

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Re: Generators vs invertors

Mayfloat, I cant help with all your needs, but i have some ideas.....your hot water problem...most hot water heaters have a heat exchanger built into them so you can run hot water from the engine through it to heat the water in the water heater....is free heat, the best kind!<br /> as far as your power probs, well...welcome to the club...your finding out why larger boats have gensets in them.....I can tell you these things...inverters...always buy twice as big as you need...you are gonna use it...house batteries...change them often or buy REALLY good ones, they get horribly abused..resistive loads on inverters are a no-no..[meaning hot water heating, electric cooktop, cabin heat] they eat power at an alarming rate, a very inefficient use of your limited power...
 

Paddling

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Re: Generators vs invertors

SS Mayfloat, Electrical loads on rvs and boats are similar, Power(watts)=Volts(v)xAmps(a) or amps= power/volts. So if you're using 600 watts at 120 volts, thats 5 amps but on the other side at 12 volts, thats 50 amps. It won't take long to discharge any battery with a 50 amp load on it and not too many alternators can provide 50 amps to run the inverter and still do a very good job of charging the batteries. Its not that your battery won't take the charge, there just might not be enough charge to go around. Inverters have two ratings, continuous and peak, and you need to size them using the continuous rating. None of the inverters will last very long at full load, the semiconductors can't take the heat. If your inverter didn't last 48 hours it must be running pretty near full load. I say a good rule of thumb is to not run the inverter more than 75-80% load. Inverters 1kw and larger tend to get expensive quick making gensets more appealing. You can get more 12 volt house battery capacity by using two 6 volt batteries in series, like rvs do, but you will still need to charge them frequently. I have had really good experience with Trojan brand batteries.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Generators vs invertors

I know I should know what a genset is, but this bigger boat has put me into a new state of ignorance. Could some explain to me what a genset is? :confused: I'm going to hook up the heat exchanger to my water pump to eliminate the need of power while on the lake. Going to get a dual voltage tv/vcr, 12 vdc coffee pot, use my over the side grill, and make a swamp cooler using lake water. Then I'll charge my batteries while in the slip. :)
 

Paddling

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Re: Generators vs invertors

Trade slang generator. Sounds like you got a plan. Good luck.
 
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