Fuel Question

popknot

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Just looking for some opinions on this. I have a 1986 Mercury 115 hp inline 6 outboard and I have been using premium fuel because its the only fuel locally that does not contain any ethanol. Pretty sure I read in one of my manuals that I only need 86 octane. I recently read a post somewhere that mentioned that the higher octane fuel burns a little hotter. But then the regular fuel with the ethanol is subject to phase separation if stored for periods of time. So am I doing the right thing by using the ethanol free premium or not? Just wanted to hear some opinions on this and see what everybody else uses.Thanks.
 

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As I recall Octane is a number on a sale that relates pressure to pre-ignition, or pinging as you used to get in auto engines. Low compression engines can run on low octane fuel. Back in the hot rod race of the '70's moving up the compression scale from the lower compression (commonly used) single digits to something like 12:1, like the '72 Chev. 409 2 door hardtop hot rod (numbers may be a tad off....been a long time), required a premium, higher octane fuel to keep the fuel mixture in the compressing cylinder from exploding (self igniting) prior to the spark application.

Your 115 is not a high compression engine!

If you don't want to run ethanol and choose to pay the premium price, and premium is the only non-ethanol fuel in your area, run your premium. One thing to think about and that is how old is the gas at the service station? I don't know what the storage life of fuel is in underground storage at service stations, but if you look at the fuel select buttons on fuel pumps, you'll find the 87 button well worn and the 91 or 2 or 3...whatever it is these days, shiny and new.

I had a new '88 version of that engine back in "89 and ran 87 unleaded all the time and did so for 7ish years I had it. It probably didn't see ethanol, forget the timing of these things, but I didn't use any special fuel. I had the right boat, right prop, and it ran like a scalded ape. I loved it.
 

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Fuel with ethanol will only phase separate if enough water gets absorbed into it. I am sure it must happen but I have never heard of anyone that has had a phase separation issue. I have had ethanol fuel that sits for a year before being used. Never had an issue.

Higher octane fuel does not burn hotter.

Basically, you are likely spending way more money than you need to buying the higher octane fuel. I really don't see the point of spending more with no benefit.
 
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Thanks for the reply Texasmark. I guess the real question might be "How afraid of the ethanol fuel should I be?" You are exactly right on the regular fuel selling volumes more than the others. And all I really have is the marina's word that their premium is ethanol free. And they probably only have their suppliers word to go on. The laws in my state require all fuel to have at least 10 percent ethanol so I don't know how they get by with ethanol free unless there is some allowance on marine fuel.
 

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And thank you too Bruceb58 for the reply. I'm thinking you are correct too in that I'm just wasting my money and should probably just go to the regular 87 octane and keep it treated with stabiler. Thanks again.
 

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I run "Snake oil" camouflaged as "Sea Foam" fuel additive in my ethanol fuel for my boat and lawn equipment around my farm, both 2 and 4 stroke which also provides storage protection in case of any water intrusion. Course, after learning what I have on this site about the product, I'd run it regardless of the type of gasoline. I like the way it keeps my engines clean.

My tractors are diesel and get "Power Services" diesel fuel additive (even though SF is used in diesels too) to keep the injectors clean and assist in prevention of moisture caused algae and winter fuel jelling in my storage tanks. Probably won't happen down here, but I can find something else to worry about. I spend the extra money because it's mine, the equipment is mine, and I just want to. Reason enough, just like you spend your money on your fuel for your equipment because you want to.
 

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Have the same 115 Merc. Been running Premium 91 octane ethanol free in it for years.
No issues.

I run the ethanol free for the same reasons I run it in my power equipment.

Gas station by me added 2 ethanol free pumps about 10 years ago.
Now they have 12. They sell a lot of it.
And 4 of the 5 other stations in town are carrying it too.

It ain't gonna hurt anything but your wallet, and may just save you from a fuel related issue.
 

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Interesting link Bruceb58 I think I read that once before and noticed the part about " no additive can prevent or remove water." So what kinda got me started on this whole thing was my mercury service manual I have, a very good service manual, a little dated but very specific to these mercury motors. It mentions about regular gas being phased out and alcohol being added then states, quote " Fuels containing alcohol will slowly absorb moisture from the air. Once the moisture content in the fuel exceeds about one half of 1 percent, it will separate from the fuel taking the alcohol with it. This water/alcohol mixture will settle to the bottom of the fuel tank. The engine will fail to operate. Therefore storage of this type of gas for use in marine engines is not recommended for more than few days." Then I noticed 1 station down by the lake advertising their premium was "Ethanol Free" so I thought maybe theres something to this and started buying all my gas there. What a way to sell gas eh? Especially premium about 70 cents a gallon higher! Cha Ching! And whos gonna know for sure if it has Ethanol in it or not? And it was kind of a pain as its not close by and I don't like to buy a lot at a time because of storage issues. 2 stroke gas once mixed with the oil is not easy to get rid of. And I must say my "Real Life" experience has been as Bruceb58 said, never had a problem in any of my engines, cars, snowblowers, lawnmowers, and sometimes that gas sits for some time. I do always treat it with Stabil though. I've had some minor performance issues with this engine and so I got to wondering if it might actually do a little better with the 87 octane fuel. So here I am "How afraid of this ethanol should I be?" I like to hear everybody's opinion on these types of subjects, all valid and appreciated, then sort through them and make a decision based upon all of the info. So thanks again for all the responses. keep them coming. Good conversation!
 
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I run "Snake oil" camouflaged as "Sea Foam" fuel additive in my ethanol fuel for my boat and lawn equipment around my farm, both 2 and 4 stroke which also provides storage protection in case of any water intrusion. Course, after learning what I have on this site about the product, I'd run it regardless of the type of gasoline. I like the way it keeps my engines clean.

My tractors are diesel and get "Power Services" diesel fuel additive (even though SF is used in diesels too) to keep the injectors clean and assist in prevention of moisture caused algae and winter fuel jelling in my storage tanks. Probably won't happen down here, but I can find something else to worry about. I spend the extra money because it's mine, the equipment is mine, and I just want to. Reason enough, just like you spend your money on your fuel for your equipment because you want to.

I completely agree with Texasmark. A can of Seafoam will help stabilize fuel and help keep your carb / injectors clean. Check out Youtube for proof of what it can do. Snake oil or not, it works.
 

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I've been using Sea Foam too. Seems to be good stuff. And while in theory adding more alcohol to fuel containing alcohol might not be a good idea. I think the amount of alcohol in the Sea Foam you are adding is probably negligible and not gonna make much difference. And the Sea Foam has other ingredients that are beneficial. Just my reasoning for what its worth. Thanks for the input.
 

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Not all gasoline / fuel is blended the same.----------Look into / google ----" aviation fuel "-------And you will find that there is a difference in mandated storage / shelf life.
 

popknot

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Good point Racerone. I have heard that before. That different companies put different additives in their fuel. Good point. Thanks.
 

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And the Sea Foam has other ingredients that are beneficial. Just my reasoning for what its worth. Thanks for the input.
The other 2 ingredients are Naptha and oil. Since you are already putting oil in your gas, it's not really doing much for you anyway.
 

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Hmm? Is naptha,alcohol and oil all that's in it? May have to reconsider.
 

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Hmm? Is naptha,alcohol and oil all that's in it? May have to reconsider.
That's all it is!

If you had fuel injection, you would want to use something that has PEA(polyetheramine) in it which actually is something that does something. You definitely don't want to use SeaFoam in an auto engine that has O2 sensors. In carb'd boat engines, it's kinda pointless to use it.
 
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popknot

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Well,thats why I like these conversations. Learn alot. Awful high priced for Alcohol, naptha and oil isn't it.
 

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popknot, the only thing I will add to this thread is, high octane fuel doesn't provide a hotter running condition. Higher octane fuels are actually harder to ignite. And that is the reason high compression engines have to use the high octane fuel. Other wise the compression would cause pre-ignition or pinging like we use to hear before computers took over setting the ignition timing in new cars. Lower octane fuels ignite easier then high octane fuel. Sounds counter-productive, but that is how it works. JMHO
 
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