fuel line

blderman

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I know this has been discussed before, but I was having trouble finding the exact answer. Other that the fact that the coast guard does not allow stainless steel fuel lines from the pump to the carb, are there any other safety concerns for not using them??? Thanks in advance.<br /><br />Jason
 

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Well Jason, I don't know why the C.G. doesn't allow it, I would guess it is because of stress fractures, it will not withstand a lot of vibration and bending, that being said, if the C.G. says don't use it, it is probably a good idea not to.........
 

captkid

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Re: fuel line

blderman hay I dont know the eaxct reason as to why you shouldn't use ss fuel lines but...<br /><br />
the fact that the coast guard does not allow stainless steel
seems to be a good enough reason not to use them :D
 

blderman

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I was told that it was because there is no way to stamp the USCS-1 label on the stainless. I know a couple of local shops around portland are working on trying to do that. But I was just looking for opinions as to why no one has used it. They are used almost religiously on muscle cars and show cars. <br /><br />J
 

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Re: fuel line

Are we talking about rigid stainless or braided stainless hose?
 
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Muscle cars and show cars are not required, or do, run at next to top available performance for hours on end. <br /><br />Inboards/I/O's can be highly stressed engines that run in unbelievably unfreindly and corrosive conditions. <br /><br />Show cars do not.<br /><br />Put it back as OEM. I would not recommend any customization in a closed area.
 

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the fact that the coast guard does not allow stainless steel
Don't know Where you found this,<br />But, Every Mercruiser I've Seen is StainLess Steel..........<br />Not Braided, but Solid......
 

dmorley

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I found the Coast Guard regulations on line at an address so long it wouldn't all print out but I'll bet you can find it by searching the federal code and looking under Title 46--shipping (CITE:46CFR56.50-70). You are right they specify "seamless drawn annealed copper pipe or tubing, nickel cooper, or coper nickel pipe or tubing..". The problem is that most copper tubing has walls slightly too thin to meet their requirements (e.g. .032 vs. .035 for 3/8 external diameter). They have a table of the required thicknesses for various sizes. My own was 3/8 and I found type "K" tubing at a plumbing supply place that has .035 walls. This stuff made a great flar with a double flar tool and is very easy to bend to conform to your needs. I would recommend a tube bending tool, however, if you are going to do any 90 degree bends. Stop by and I'll give you 10 feet as I have about 40 left.
 

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Re: fuel line

hello<br /><br /> I have not seen seamless copper between the pump and the carb since hitler was a corpral. all the lines I see are either steel or stainless steel. in fact I just did a valve job on a pair of 7.4 GI volvos that had all stainless plumbing betwen the low pressure pump and the VST and between the VST and the injector rail. I also see a braided line on the Marine power and volvo TBI and MPI units between the TBI and the fuel cell.<br /> big thing is common sense. I also see the ones that cut the line and patched it with rubber hose and clamps.<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

dmorley

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Rodbolt,<br />I too was very concerned about the coast guard "requiring" annealed copper so I did a lot of research and it gets complicated. First, the issue of fuel line material is largely determined by galvanic corrosion potential. The more different the two metals are on a galvanic corrosion chart the greater the potential one will turn to dust. This is all explained in an excellent article by a university of Delware professor: http://www.ocean.udel.edu.mas/masnotes/corrosion.pdf. My guess is that because copper and brass (the usual fuel fitting material) are very close on the chart the coast guard sort of set the default fuel line to copper. Also, when it comes to galvanic corrosion not all stainless steel is created equal (see: http://www.corrprev.org.au/galvanic.htm). I suspect the reason Mercury and others use stainless steel is that they have the electro chemist, etc. to design a fuel system where all parts are compatible and they get that system approved. Belive me, if my oem stainless line could have been bent to get around my after market closed cooling system I would have done it. If I'm wrong and blow myself up this summer and live to tell about it I'll eat my words. I'm still concerned enough that I'll remove an inspect the line after a few days on salt water.
 

dmorley

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For some reason the link in my last message did not work. Do a search on "galvanic corrosion final" and it will be the first unsponsored listing. Those who are interested can learn alot about this topic by searching on "galvanic corrosion" and "galvanic corrosion table"
 

blderman

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Originally posted by mojokim:<br />Are we talking about rigid stainless or braided stainless hose?
I was asking about braided stainless steel, sorry for the confusion. I have twice attempted to re-bend a new line and failed both times. Mercrusier wants $40.00 for a new line and I knew I could get braided cheaper, I just wanted to know if it was safe to do so.<br /><br />J
 

dmorley

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Blederman,<br />Whatever you do make sure it is U.S.C.G. approved. Otherwise, you could get a hefty ticket and worse yet if there is a fire your insurance will be worthless. That said, let me admit that I find the Code of Federal Regulations somewhat ambiguous. In some locations they indicate the line must be solid metal. Other places they seem to require flexible line. It appears, however, that the flexible line requirement is between the boat/tank and the engine. Which only makes sense given that engine vibration would require flex between the engine and the "non-moving" boat. However, somewhere else in the code, and I can't remember where, it implied that U.S.C.G. approved hoses would work between the fuel pump and carberater. However, those regulations went so far as to specify the grade of hose and the interval at which the U.S.C.G. approval had to be printed on the hose. Finally, the best I can tell is that "K" copper tubing with .035 walls at 3/8 outside diameter (plumbers use inside, but coast guard uses outside) is legal. This tubing is very easy to bend without a tube bender (unless you do 90 degrees) without crimping and yes I too failed at bending the oem stainless even with a good quality tube bender. Personally, if I could have gotten an oem Mercury line to work for $40.00 I would have spent the money.
 
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