Fuel hose length

kellaig

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Hi guys,<br /><br />What is the maximum length of hose a Honda 40 fuel pump should be expected to suck fuel. I have a 25 litre tank mounted at the bow of the boat that has approximately 17 ft of hose to the motor. This may be causing problems with the motor after a heat soak episode. The motor starts first time but runs rough for a minute or so at idle after being shut down for a while on a hot day.<br /><br />Once cleared it will run perfectly. Is the pump struggling to maintain fuel pressure after startup.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br /><br />Kellaig
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Fuel hose length

Kellaig, <br /><br />I don't think the length should be a problem. Making the motor pull fuel up, in elevation, over a few feet could be a problem, but your bow is probably higher than the stern right. Check the vent on your tank to make sure it's open.
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Fuel hose length

I have approx. that amount of fuel hose tank to engine. I don't have a rough run after a hot soak.<br /><br />I looked in my FM for fuel pump specs. for your other post. There wasn't a spec provided, however, pumps of this type commonly operate in the 3-4 lb. range, with a volume of 2/3 of a quart in a minute.
 

kellaig

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Re: Fuel hose length

Thanks guys,<br /><br />The honda rep thinks the problem is with fuel hose length. I have12 ft of 8mm hose to the standard 6mm honda hose to the motor. the primer bulb is near the motor. Should I try to place the primer bulb up neaer the tank. This problem has been here since new, and after three honda dealers hae tuned this motor no one can fix it.<br /><br />should i just buy a new fuel pump????<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Kellaig
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Fuel hose length

kellaig. The location of the primer bulb will make no difference. Length of the hose will make no difference, only if the fuel tank is located lower than your engine. Diameter could make a difference, but I think it's unlikely in your case. 6mm hose should feed that little 40hp plenty of fuel. Does the primer bulb collapse when running the motor? It doesn't necessarily sound like a fuel supply problem to me.
 

kellaig

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Re: Fuel hose length

Hi Drowned Rat,<br /><br />the fuel tank is located lower than the motor. The fuel hose runs along the bottom of the boat beneath the floor and then vertically up from the floor up into the motor. the fuel tank sits on the floor at the front of the boat. i guess there would be a 2ft vertical rise from the stern of the boat from the floor to the motor. The tank would be in between this level.<br /><br />I have exhausted all other options with servicing etc at three honda dealers they all tell me fuel problem, after heat soak.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br /><br />Kellaig
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Fuel hose length

My tank is lower then my engine also. It's at the front of the boat and is a 14 gallon step tank, mounted on the floor. It's actually a step for the deck. <br />My primer bulb is back by the motor. I'm also using 8mm hose and it's approx. 17 ft. in length.<br />Most of my heat soak is with 100-110 deg.F days here in the Northern California valley.<br /><br />While I've never had a rough run or hard start in cold or hot weather, I've noticed my engine starts faster and smoother using plain old regular fuel. I've tried doing my Honda one better by using a mid grade or premium on several outings. Bottom line is, the regular fuel works best for me.<br /><br />Fact is your motor has 3 float bowls that are full when you shut the motor off. If during a hot soak, any fuel purcolation of the fuel in the bowls will overflow into the cylinders causing rough running due to flooding.<br />This is opposite of a pump starvation because of a fault in the pump, or a long hose, or tank to low. <br /><br /> If fuel is expanding or percolating into the cylinders from the float bowls of the carbs it's very possible all the float levels are set to high. This is more likely then vapor locking.<br /><br />In summer months gas companys are very sure to have the correct additives to fight percolation. And in addition, the engine compartment in an automobile over hot manifolds is substantially greater then any temps I've witnessed under my Hondas engine cowl. <br /><br />At any case, your service department could lend you a portable tank to try. A quick disconnect at the primer bulb clamp is all that it would take to test their/your theory.<br /><br />Keep us posted please.
 

kellaig

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Re: Fuel hose length

Hi Skinnywater,<br /><br />Replaced the fuel tank today with a loan one and used it at the back. The problem of a rough /low idle was there after a heat soak episode. This rules out the fuel hose length scenario. The only change i noticed was a slightly higher base idle (60 rpm)once the motor returned to normal running. Why would a shorter fuel hose give a slightly higher idle.<br /><br />i checked again with the mechanic and he assures me that the float levels are ok. Is it time to look at electrical or CDI or whatever.<br /><br />This only happens after the motor has been turned off for a while.<br /><br /><br />Regards<br /><br /><br />Kellaq
 
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