Found an interesting site

deejaycee_2000

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Re: Found an interesting site

Nice .... I have one of those old super seahorse 40hp johnson's as a post box in front of my house ....
 

OBJ

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I lost that site and never got around to looking for it again. Thanks!! Really neat stuff in there. d:)
 

pecheux

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thank you for the site .... I found a pic of that ol Evinrude 30hp Lark that was on our boat back in 58 .... outch

The only faster boat on the river at that time was equiped with a 40 hp Merc.

Time has changed huh !
 

Pony

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I remember when I stumbled upon that site a few years back........the neatest thing was when my dad was looking at it and recognized an old motor he and his dad used when he was growing up
 

Texasmark

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Hey pecheux, same with me. The fastest boat of the times was a Merc Mark 55 with a 2 bladed brass prop no less.

We're dating ourselves remembering things this old. Grin

Since you are from Quebec you'll appreciate this.

One of the popular boats of the day was a "Yellow jacket" The hulls were molded plywood and were molded in Canada. Then they shipped the hulls to the boat assembly plant somewhere in Texas. Had a friend with one with a 35 Johnny (reddish brown and white) on it. Ran out pretty good......for the day. Roy Rodgers was involved in the company somehow and helped to advertise it. They have a web site and you can read this there.

Mark
 

Texasmark

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Hey Joe,

OUTSTANDING.

I used to love to brouse through those old catalogs and now I can again, thanks to you .

Amazing how they took those little engines of the day and made it look like they were really pushing big boats around (for the pics in the catalogs). Well at the time we thought they were, back when 25 mph was a big deal. Grin

Mark
 

Joe Dirt

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Never ceases to amaze me what you can find when you spend hours online searching for something. Some of the best sites are on the 11th or 12th page of the google search...

Glad it's good- I was worried about the "repost x 2000" tag being thrown on me! d:)
 

lark2004

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About 2/3 of the way down the first page of the user's gallery is my 40hp Lark.

It's the black one.

It is a really good site, the guy who runs it has done an outstanding job.
 

Texasmark

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Some very interesting information here. Things we discuss daily concerning current engines have their roots way back to the '50's as shown in these catalogs.

Couple of pointers.

Noticed that OMC power was OBC certified "Brake HP". That means that originally these engines were not prop rated as a lot had thought. Brake HP is defined as the output of the engine with nothing else considered.

Amazed that their 25 hp engine (up to '55) had 35 cubic inch displacement. No wonder it could push big boats. Today's engines are around 25 cu in. ('94 Mariner Catalog),

HP was rated at 4000 rpm's. Nice low rpm for quiet operation. Today's is 5000-6000.

One of the smacks Merc got in those days was all the noise it made and as I recall they were rated at a much higher rpm; I know their cubes were more like 1 cu in per hp.

Noticed totay's 25 is 2.25:1 gear ratio swinging the same sized prop as the old 25 with a 1.75:1. Guess all those cubes provided enough torque to allow the high gear ration.

3 pieves of the day were the gearbox, water intake, and shear pin.

Gearbox was always hanging up on weeds; Merc didn't.

Water intake was on the front of the exhaust port which put it right behind the prop. So you couldn't tilt the engine much and all the sand you drove through went right to the water pump. Merc, having theirs on the front of the skeg solved both problems.

Shear pin was always breaking at the worst times, like when on the windward side of rip-rap when you really needed your power. Merc solved that with the slip hub.

Noticed that back drag which we discussed a couple of days ago when we were talking about how to get more efficient operation when cruising. Go to full throttle and back off. They had it then. Huh!

And somewhere back there they quit using automotive 30 weight oil and went to marine oil with a 24:1 fuel-oil mix. I think early on they had it as high as 16:1. Boy, talk about smokers....phew.

The other biggie is that if you look carefully at the pics, the anti cavitation/ventilation plate was well below the bottom line of the boat. Talk about drag! Course with the props they were running then, anything higher probably would have been venting all the time; especially when they were trying to push those 24' cruisers around with 2 ea 25's.l

I have surely enjoyed the catalogs...........especially those cuties in those bating suits that look like a bathing suit.

Mark
 

Texasmark

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So today I'm at the site again and find that OMC had steel liners (sleeves) in their alum blocks. No wonder they lasted so long without an overhaul.

Mark
 

Paul Moir

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Yeah, they really were class acts mechanically. Especially after about '61 when the smaller motors (<10hp) became classier.

OMC was using rubber hubs since at least the fourties. They used drive pins though, and I think sometimes they got replaced with they wrong material which lead to premature shearing. But really the drive pin isn't supposed to shear and rather the hub is supposed to slip.

But you're right about the gearcases. They were tough as nails but talk about low performance! Look at the size of the football on the bottom of a fat 50 for example. And often the mounting height was limited by the water pump, which was not self priming.

I guess if you wanted performance back then you got a custom made case. Like the one Chinewalker found:
VCJohnRD14.jpg
 
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