For those who feel Iraq is just misunderstood

[samagee]

I think this article brings to lite a few things, that the anti bush campaigners would like to keep a lid on.<br /><br /> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101689,00.html

 

[mellowyellow]

Re: For those who feel Iraq is just misunderstood

hindsight is always 20/20....

 

[marty_scher]

Re: For those who feel Iraq is just misunderstood

Maybe we need a reality check here.<br /><br />The Iraqi war was not about addressing brutal oppression. If that was the case, there would be a laundry list of about 100 more countries to trash.<br /><br />The war was supposed to tackle WMDs and al-Qaeda terrorist connections, both, of which so far have failed to materialize.<br /><br />I was a Bush supporter in the beginning of this mess, but with the loss of soldiers every day and the situation only getting worse, one can only wonder if the reasons and the facts for invading Iraq, were not at least a little flawed.<br /><br />Marty

 

[plywoody]

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First of all, I am anti Administration policy, not anti Bush--<br /><br />And why would I want to keep a lid on that? There has never been any doubt that Saddam, as well as most tyrannical dictators, can be brutal at times. Have you looked at what is happening in Iraq lately? To keep order in an otherwise chaotic society with all sorts of warring factions, leading with an iron hand is not too surprising. This is not Oklahoma we are talking about. I'm not defending his behaviour, but only explaining it.<br /><br />And what are you talking about hindsight? What we are witnessing is precisely what I predicted. an easy war followed by the peace from hell? I am sure you will agree that I am not all *THAT* bright, and I could predict it.<br /><br />The idea that the Iraqis would be dancing in the street, and welcome democracy with open arms was, and is, simple folly. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.<br /><br />On top of that, there is not a single 'legitimate' regime over there that would welcome a democratic state in the middle of the middle east. Every government over there is threatened by that. The notion that those countries are going to cooperate to any great degree is also folly, as the outcome in Iraq could directly threaten them and their power.<br /><br />All in all, George Will, on one of the talkshows, said that it is important to understand the difference between a problem and a mess. A problem implies there is a solution, and a mess is something you live with and deal with. I think we are in a mess.

 

[NOSLEEP]

Re: For those who feel Iraq is just misunderstood

So they are a little flawed, So what!<br />So they wouldn't welcome a democraric state with<br />open arms, So what!<br />Nothing happens by its self...it all will come<br />our way, once you understand that you have to <br />make it come your way, by our own exertions.<br /><br />STOP SITTING ON YOUR HANDS..... Plywoody

 

[samagee]

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First of all to plywood. The only ones saying it was going to be easy were the media. There were some misrepresentations about the people being happy to see Americans. I think they were just happy Sadam was gone. I have to agree that a democratic nation in the middle east is to much to hope for. They just needed someone to remove the harsh conditions. I feel they should be allowed to govern themselves how they see fit, as long as they do it peacefully.<br /><br />Marty, the Iraqi invasion I feel was a proactive approach to curbing a future terrorist attack. It has been known for years now that terrorist train in places like Iraq and Afganisthan. I remember reading solider of fortune mags in the 80's about them.<br /><br />I personally feel the connections to these terrorist cells spreads to many of the middle eastern nations. There have been posts here that talked about the book, where it was stated how shocked the CIA was when doing an interogation.<br /><br />At any rate, this isn't over. If Bush is voted out of office and we get some pansy in there. The middle eastern scum will have to worry about certain citizens. Accidents happen every day. I for one will make sure that any suspicious activity will be looked into in my area. If they feel that Americans are to laid back, they haven't wondered into my neck of the woods yet. Or they haven't made themselves known. I have zero tolerance for them now. BTW, if these people are doing suicide bombings. Is it really illegal to kill someone that is just going to kill themselves anyway? Perhaps I had a phsycic vision and saw them coming my way with explosives.<br /><br />They declared war on us along time ago and it went ignored. I NEVER understood why. Why would someone let an enemy run rampid around thier country?<br /><br />At any rate, I am on a rampage. I can't understand how people think things are just back to normal. Maybe they think 9/11 was just a temper tantrum? WAKE UP!!!!!

 

[plywoody]

Re: For those who feel Iraq is just misunderstood

Sitting on my hands??? I don't think so.<br /><br />And I honestly think if the real truth were known about the reasons for this war, calling it "flawed" would be the understatement of the year.<br /><br />Why did we not secure the areas where we suspected they were holding WMD's? This war was about something, but that wasn't it.<br /><br />Now we have to figure out how to get out of there. I just think there are no simple solutions to this. I would favor giving some control up in order to get other nations more actively involved if possible...but who knows.<br /><br />According to Bush yesterday, it seems the worse it gets in Iraq, the better we are doing. It is not too comforting, or accurate, an analysis, in my view. We'll see.

 

[marty_scher]

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Sorry sam, can't agree.<br /><br />To take a "proactive" approach to curb terrorist training, means that we should probably flatten most every country on earth, even our beloved Saudi Arabia. We may even have to dig deep into the U.S.<br /><br />We really have done little to make Afganistan a better place since we chased the bad guys somewhere else.<br /><br />It's not hard to believe that the CIA would be surprised to learn ANYTHING, since they have mostly became a group of hobbled bureacrats. A group of PO'd girl scouts could probably have done a better job of pre-war intelligence.<br /><br />Since the enemy appears to have an endless supply of RPG's and suicide bombers, we could well be on our way to being in, as Corporal Joker from "Full Metal Jacket", so rightly put it, "a world of sh*t".<br /><br />Bless all the couragous troops.<br /><br />Marty

 

[rodbolt]

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hello<br /> not knowing what level of military service the previous posters have I will put in my 2 cents. the so called war on terrorism is such a joke. it would be laughable were it not for the stupid carnage.bubba dubya is trying to follow daddy bubba"s footsteps. daddy wasnt much when he was pres and I was active duty. bubba dubya is less. almost as shallow and devious as slick willie. is / was sadammy a mean person that killed his people for pleasure? yes probably so but no worse than many nations of the eastern bloc or africa. where did most of the personnel and alll of the funding for the libiyan attacks and the 9-11 attacks here come from? well we cant bomb the suadis cause not only do they sell us oil they buy lots and lots of military hardware.<br />I will go back to Toms theory of war. the frontlines will be staffed by politicinas from the congress, house and legislature. the second attack wave will be the clergy. if its still worth fighting for I will uncrate and clean my poor rifle <br /> if not leave me be and let me earn and feed my kids and let them do the same.<br /> T.A.B. FC2 USN ret

 

[ebbtide176]

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PW the paragraph of problem vs mess is something that hits home to me. and most of the previous posts here go towards that as the main point.<br /><br />i want to remind everyone that even when you're down, you must not lose sight of the goal. we can't stop now. should we have waited? please tell me how you think things would be now and when we might have if ever, gotten involved with the anti-western hatred movement outside our borders.<br /><br />but that was a good post PW. from my mind, our involvement is late, and now in the shape its in due to overall pacifism, but we are still in 911 fight mode (from flight/fight choices forced on us) but i'm very concerned with why we're not still up in arms for our military stance... tell me, goferit give it to me good