final update: bad crusaders

[codfather II]

First I must apologize, I used this forum to post my complaints with Crusader. I'm new to this type of web site and didn't realize this should have been posted somewhere else.I'm writing this thread here because this is where I started a month ago. <br /> I spoke with the higher brass of Crusader today about my two bad engines. They first offered my old engines rebuilt. Of course I said no! After a long discussion they offered me two new carbed engines. ( original engines were carbed also) I asked for an upgrade to EFI to offset my expenses over the last two years, with loss of time, dockage,insurance,etc. They told me I would have to pay the difference for the upgrade. All the while Crusader kept telling me that they "go over and above" their warranty. I don't think replacing two bad engines with two new engines is going over and above any warranty. Oh well, to make this as short as possible, I'm taking their offer of two new engines. I've lost more $$ but at least I'll be back in the water. Thanks for your replies and advise. Once again, sorry for posting this thread on this forum, I screwed up.

 

[rodbolt]

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glad to see ya got something anyway. its better than some people get. good luck on the new engines but ya may have your tech take a peek at the pick up tubes before installing them. peace of mind and all.

 

[codfather II]

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Thanks rod, Do you think I should have the pick up line tacked on?? Crusader told me they didn't think they should do it themselves. I've heard many different opinions on this and I'm not sure what to do.

 

[lowshovel1]

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I know I would be tacking them,2 allready fell off,

 

[codfather II]

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yeah, I agree, why take the chance again. This has been a nightmare. I just want to make sure this doesn't void the warranty in any way. thank you.

 

[lowshovel1]

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I thought about that also/ thats probably why they would'nt do it-----just praying you will, so they can tell ya your alteration is the problem and not cover anything now! hope all go's well for ya

 

[bomar76]

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You're crazy if you don't weld the p/u pipe on.

 

[rodbolt]

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when racing that was one of the first mods we did was to braze the oil pump tube to the pump. it was done for a reason. later versions of high performance engines had factory brazed pumps. some chevy trucks and mercruisers use a bracket from the tube to one of the main studs at the windage tray.

 

[codfather II]

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Man, this sure puts me in a tight spot. All the racing guys have said they all tacked their tubes to their pumps. I haven't received the engines yet and am wondering what to do. I know that tacking them is definately the way to go. But, as I said before, it may void the warranty. I'll call Crusader AFTER I receive the engines and ask them if it will void the warranty. What I can't understand is why Crusader doesn't do it themselves??? I've gotten responses on this forum telling me that omc bolts them on and mercruiser tacks them on. Why in the world doesn't Crusader follow suit???? Crusader themselves told me this problem has occured before, just not to the same person twice, as is in my case. I can't thank you guys enough for your help here!!!

 

[codfather II]

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Talked to Crusader today. I was correct, If I were to have them, or my mechanic, tack weld them on, it would void the warranty. They told me that the problems I'm having may have something to do with the angles at which the engines are placed within the boat. I'm not a mechanic or engineer, so I can't say for sure if they are correct??

 

[bomar76]

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That was an I/O setup, correct? <br />They are full of it.<br /><br />The angle of the engines are standard to each model of drive. Each manufactuer has set dimensions that boats are built to conform to. Transom angles, position of engines, etc are the same in all respective models.

 

[rbezdon]

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Maybe a possibility would be to buy two new oil pumps and pick ups and get them welded. Swap them for the ones in the engines. If something GOD FORBID goes wrong (other than the pickups), swap them back to original when you pull the engines. It seems like they have trapped you into this situation. They know you are likely to want to weld the pickups and if you do, they are off the hook for everything else.

 

[rodbolt]

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look around Summit or PAW. they sell pumps for the 6 qt truck pan with the pickup already welded. someplace in the crusader manual is the screen to pump height as well. job should take less than an hou on a new engine and can be done sitting on the engine lift, just dont do it under a hydraulic lift that has no mecanical lock. I would never run a boat or other high performance engine without some type of mechanical lock on the pickup tube. be it a strap welded to the tube and bolted to the main cap or a tube brazed to the pump.

 

[codfather II]

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Bomar, the boat is a 1987 aquasport 290 tournament master, straight inboards. Would this possibly make a difference? Rodbolt and vatter, thanks guys. I never thought about those options. GREAT IDEA! The Service rep at Crusader has been pretty honest with me. It's his superiors that I don't really trust. The service rep said that if my boat pounds a lot it could be the root of my problems. I'm not too sure about that???? I have a pretty reasonable question here, why would omc and mercruiser take measures to correcrt this flaw without voiding their warranty to G.M.? Crusader told me it would void their warranty with G.M? I'm either getting told a line of crap or omc and mercruiser DON'T actually fix that problem,and I've been fed wrong info about the other two companies?