figuring out boat value

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avenger79

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So when you guys go to purchase a new boat, what tools do you use to figure out the value of it? Many owners around here seem to not like my method of using NADA. Everyone wants to bring out KBB. KBB is written by dealers in order to show inflated prices for items so they can offer you a "discount". been looking at a couple boats lately. the few I have found that reflect NADA pricing are gone within hours. I need to start moving faster. LOL
 

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As we know, any "book" pricing is a starting point(just a guide). Most "good" boats are valued above NADA pricing. And they fly off the shelves at those prices. Never checked KBB with boats. I know car dealers use KBB on trade-ins etc...... They used NADA in the past. That doesn't surprise me that good boats are gone within days, or hours. That's what happens up here too. When you see a good boat you better pounce right away, have money in hand and ready to deal. If you hesitate you will potentially lose the boat. Enjoy the hunt........
 
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Yep thought I had one the other day. Everything looked great online. I couldn't even get him on the phone before it was gone. LOL
 

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A boat is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Finding that someone can be difficult though :)
 

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As far as 'tools' . . . here is what I use & do.

1) NADA - more of a depreciation tool than a market value, but it is a reference point. NADA tends to overstate the value on newer boats and understate the value on older boats. My experience is that NADA and other tools are about equal on a 12 year old boat.

2) BUCValu.com - a better tool than NADA, since it seems to have more market factors applied on a regular basis

(KBB - I do not see that KBB has info for boats :noidea: )

3) All the boat listings that you can find. (Craigslist, BoatTrader, powerboatlistings, oodle, etc). If you review those over a period of time (weeks/months), then you will get a good feeling for what is available, what is in your area of search and how long it has been available. This is valuable information.

Keep in mind that a boat that is listing for a somewhat long period of time (months) at a certain price would indicate that the boat is not worth anywhere near the price. If it were, then it would be sold and no longer listed (right? ). Another thing to keep in mind is that the boats listed on advertisement site are the boats that have not sold (yet) the ones that move off of the site are presumably sold or de-listed.

You will typically see boats at the bottom of the asking price range get sold. Boats tend to get sold based on price and condition. . . so the better boats at the lower prices sell, the others do not, and that is what you largely see on the ad listing sites.

So, I take NADA, BUCvalu, plus a whole bunch of ad listings, combine all those facts and figures into an understanding that paints a picture of what the market looks like for a particular type/brand/size of boat.

Value is what you or someone else is willing to pay for something. When we speak of value, it is often referred to what someone else is willing to pay or has paid for something. . . presumably you would pay what someone else had paid, but not a whole lot more.

From the brief description of your experiences, it sounds like you are looking at boats in the lower price range and those are what typically go fast, if they are in good condition, particularly this time of year, as everyone wants to get on the water. You should do your research and be ready to move quickly. With higher priced boats, there are fewer buyers, so there is more time.
 
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hmmm never heard of BUCValue. will have to look. otherwise I agree with your post.

I am trying to find one in the 5-10 thousand range. my problem is, if for 10 thousand all I can get is a 20 yr old 4 cylinder 17 ft with ripped seats, I'll go buy new. (that's not always the case but I have seen a few already)

I do have a couple more that I want to go see, was just wondering if NADA was that far off in pricing. I have heard before that very few people sell their boats for NADA prices, but I do use it as a base to start with. If a guy is asking double the NADA price I won't even go look.
 

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Current market conditions always dictate!

I priced my Lund at below market, scheduled 8 apts all at the exact same time, and let the bidding begin, ended up getting over my asking price. And cash was a must to secure the deal!!

I'd be checking craigslist to get a feel, then be honest with yourself about how the condition of your boat is. Selling a boat in winter is near impossible here in Michigan, maybe it's different elsewhere. The window is now open here!!
 

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NADA is a starting point but depending on where you live it can vary. Right now boat prices are up but in September the same boat will cost a lot less. I paid a few thousand less than NADA on my current boat when I bought it at the end of August.
 

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Yea, it is all situational . . .

When I bought my current boat in September 2012 . . . it was above NADA by about 8% . . . below BUC by about 12% . . . it was the lowest asking price on the market for that make/model/vintage. One had sold for slightly less earlier in the summer. The only other one that sold that I was aware of during that time period was listed for about 18% more than the boat I bought, although I would imagine it did not sell for quite that much.

The rest of them at higher prices did not sell. Some of the folks trying to sell back then are still trying to sell now . . . :noidea:
 
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Green: I'm not selling, I'm looking to purchase.
I see that now, sorry I can't offer much help, I never buy new, but if I did, I would be wanting to make sure who ever I buy from was a good warranty repair center. Fixing all the little stuff that could occur can mean everything. I read stories about bad warranty work all the time, so make sure you are buying from the right place. One example is the local Bass Pro store that sells boats too. They don't do any repair work what so ever. They have another dealership that does all this stuff. Some of the folks I know that bought there didn't know this, and it would have made a difference if they did. Have fun buying, it's fun to get new toys!!
 
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