Engine trouble?

rjjmsj

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I just bought a used Johnson 18 HP outboard, and wonder if it has a cooling problem. As best as I can tell, the model number is FD13R. Might be FD18R. Not sure how old, but I'd guess '70s or '80s. My concern is about the way the water is spitting out the exhaust cooling port. I'd think it should be a fairly steady spitting, but this is the way it occurs: when I first start the engine, it spits for a second or two...then it stops for maybe 30 seconds or so...then it will spit a lot of very hot water, pause a second or two, then another long burst of water...then it will start spitting a fairly light, but steady spitting. When I shift into gear, the spitting stops for a bit (maybe 10 seconds), then I get the heavy spitting, then it stops for a bit, then heavy, then fairly light but steady. IS this normal? Or should it be a more steady spitting? <br /><br />I really don't understand how the water is supposed to move or else I'd maybe know if it is normal for it to behave this way. Can someone explain briefly, what the principle is for how the water moves? Ie. is it by some type of impeller (in which case I'd think it should be steady). If by impeller, what drives the impeller? So it move by a pump? If so, what drives the pump? Ok, I think that pretty much covers it. Do I need a major repair, or is this something that maybe can be repaired with a good service manual and a good auto mechanic who is just starting into the boating scene?<br /><br />TIA,<br /><br />Rob
 

Fouled Plug

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Re: Engine trouble?

Does the motor overheat? Even if not, if you don't know when the impeller was last replaced it's time to do it. The impeller is located in a housing in the lower unit. It is driven from the driveshaft. It's really a very easy repair, and a manual will walk you through it with no problems. Can't say if your erratic spitting is normal, but do the pump and see if the water flow changes.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Engine trouble?

The very first thing to do when you buy any good used motor, no matter what size, is to replace the water pump.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

rjjmsj

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Re: Engine trouble?

Is the impeller the same thing as the water pump, or are they separate items? One post says replace impeller, other the water pump. If they are different, should I replace both? Is the water pump also located in the lower unit? I'm trying to locate a manual...my other post is to try to pin down an age so I can get the right one. I assume a manual will answer these questions...but which manual? Owners/service or other type? Here is a picture if that helps.<br /><br />TIA,<br />Rob
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Backlash

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Re: Engine trouble?

Hey rjjmsj, <br />The impeller is inside the water pump housing. It is what "moves" the water through the system.<br />Backlash
 

rjjmsj

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Re: Engine trouble?

Other than replacing the impeller, what else needs to be done to the water pump to "rebuild/refresh" it? Are there other gaskets/seals/o-rings that need replacing, or is it JUST the impeller that probably needs attention?<br /><br />Rob
 

Backlash

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Re: Engine trouble?

Once you've got it apart, inspect the inside of the housing & the base plate. If the housing is corroded to the point of it being rough to the touch, replace it. If the base plate has grooves worn into it, replace it. Any o rings should be replaced. <br />Backlash
 

Dunk

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Re: Engine trouble?

Replace the water pump as a kit..<br /> http://www.theshadconnection.com/marine/index.html <br /><br /> They have the whole deal....or go to your local NAPA auto parts store with the numbers from this site. Look thru the site and you'll find your engine listed and the part numbers. NAPA will probaly need to order the parts...
 

rjjmsj

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Re: Engine trouble?

Ok, I pulled the foot, found the water pump and have a couple of questions. First off, the impeller has all the vanes and is very pliable. I will go ahead and replace it, but in the meantime.... <br />1) When I pulled the foot, there was no gasket where the foot joins the rest of the leg...is that right that there isn't a gasket there?<br />2) The output end of the pump is a copper tube that inserts into a rubber boot up inside the leg. Would a pump rebuild kit include that boot/gasket/or whatever it's called?<br />3) The water inlet has me confused. On the back of the foot is a sorta rectangular shaped opening...in front of it is a screen. The screen part seems to go to a cast tube, but it seems to be a deadend, which makes no sense to have a screen if it goes nowhere...is there some type of internal tube that is cast into the housing?<br />4) If anyone can walk me thru the path of the cooling water, I'd appreciate it.<br /><br />Rob
 
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