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rattlinjd

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Hello I'm new to the group so I hope I'm doing this right I have an old 90s model bass boat it had a 1:15 Mercury on it two-stroke it was blowed up so I took it off and put a 90 horse Johnson on there from the '80s the motor runs great when it's not in the water but you put it in the water and right before it would plane out the trim fails and lets the motor fall all the way down has anyone ever had this problem the trim works great up and down and I've bled it I filled it up with fluid it holds for a long time without ever bleeding off someone please help
 

roscoe

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right before it would plane out the trim fails and lets the motor fall all the way down
Welcome to boats.

When accelerating to get up on plane, the engine should be all the way down, then raised after the boat is on plane.
 

Texasmark

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Welcome to boats.

When accelerating to get up on plane, the engine should be all the way down, then raised after the boat is on plane.
Well sir, that depends on the boat and what's in it. I had an 18' alum. bass boat with a 90 Merc. and SS Ballistic 24P prop., 1 hole up off the transom. The picture in my Avatar is that boat kissing 50 with just me. My fastest hole shot was with the engine at 90* to the hull. Hole shot was firewalling the throttle, the prop would blow out, the RPMs would shoot up, the prop would grab and blow out for about 3 oscillating cycles (blow/grab, blow/grab blow/grab and hold....... and it was gone.

I had a Caravelle 18' tri-hull with a '72 125 Johnson, 17 or 19" pitch newly available SST prop (forget which) no PTT (till '73 engines) and the tilt pin was set in one hole and left there rather running just under 40 alone, or in one case at a company picnic, somehow getting 5 skiiers up simultaneously for about 200 yards before one fell off. Most were light weight folks on 2 skis. I didn't have instruments on that boat other than the speedometer so I don't know where my RPMs were when running.

Had a1988 18' Ranger BB with a 115 Merc "Tower of Power", 19P original SS Laser which was ported. The engine was usually vertical for the shot. The ports would let the prop spin up fast in the hole shot getting on plane fast and once up and moving right along, the holes would close and it was like overdrive in an old stick shift car....you felt the jolt. I slalom skied behind that boat with my son driving, same engine position.
 

rattlinjd

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If I try to get up on plane with the motor trimmed all the way down. The boat just stands strait up and stays that way. Won't plane at all like that
 

rattlinjd

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Welcome to boats.

When accelerating to get up on plane, the engine should be all the way down, then raised after the boat is on plane.
Won't plane like that. It just does a crazy wheely. Throws stuff outta front of the boat.
 

racerone

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Do you understand the difference between tilt and trim?-------When tilting the motor DOWN it goes fast.-----It appears to stop.------Then slowly trims all the way down.------I believe you are running and not having trim all the way down.-----Or hurry to a shop and have them show you.------Had an experience with an individual 30 years ago that did not understand this concept !
 

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Won't plane like that. It just does a crazy wheely. Throws stuff outta front of the boat.
Did you actually look at the motor when you thought it was "down"?

If you truly are doing a wheelie when the motor is down, you got some real big problems. Short shaft on a long shaft or visa versa? Some horrible weight balance?

Next time deliberately put the motor all the way down and start out that way. Send pictures of the AV plate next to the keel. A horizontal picture of the bottom of the boat.
 

rattlinjd

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Do you understand the difference between tilt and trim?-------When tilting the motor DOWN it goes fast.-----It appears to stop.------Then slowly trims all the way down.------I believe you are running and not having trim all the way down.-----Or hurry to a shop and have them show you.------Had an experience with an individual 30 years ago that did not understand this concept !
Thank you sir. Very helpful. Would appreciate any more knowledge you can spare
 

JimS123

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Thank you sir. Very helpful. Would appreciate any more knowledge you can spare
Sorry if our comments upset you. But your data does not compute. If an outboard motor is fully down, the boat will not do a wheelie. It will do the Opposite of a wheelie.

The most helpful thing I suggested was for you to provide pictures of your setup, or a video of your wheelie. It's very difficult to diagnose a problem remotely with insufficient information, or info that does not compute.
 

rattlinjd

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Sorry if our comments upset you. But your data does not compute. If an outboard motor is fully down, the boat will not do a wheelie. It will do the Opposite of a wheelie.

The most helpful thing I suggested was for you to provide pictures of your setup, or a video of your wheelie. It's very difficult to diagnose a problem remotely with insufficient information, or info that does not compute.
Wasn't upset at all buddy. The thanks was legit
 

rattlinjd

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Also wondering about replacing vro pump w simple vacuum pump off my cub cadet???
 

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JimS123

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The pics don't show the complete bracket, and the angle of the AV plate vs keel is not clear.

From what there is it looks like a short shaft motor on a long shaft transom.

Cobbing the oil system with odd parts may not be best. Pre-mix is a simple reliable method.
 

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From the pics it does look like the whole motor needs to be lowered. The bottom of the hull should be even with the bottom of the cavitation plate.

On an electric trim and tilt system, when the motor is all the way down and you start up, you are in trim mode. At a certain point it changes to tilt mode and moves much faster. Make sure you movements of the engine are in trim mode and not tilt mode when underway.

It the trim is not holding the motor in place while underway, then you probably need to rebuild the hydraulics in the trim and tilt system. You are leaking off pressure somewhere in the system. Either that, or you are low on hydraulic fluid. Since there are no good pictures of your Trim/Tilt motor or hydraulics, we can't see any visible leaking of fluid.
 

racerone

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Post model # of this motor.-----Measure the height of the transom and post the exact dimension.
 
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