electric shift

DARKCLOWN

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i have a 1970 evinrude 60hp i have had trubble getting it to turn over took to lake when i first got it and it would not shift to reverse it would push it foward then i got home and the next weekend went to start it and nothing thought it was the selinoid but it turns out to be the saftey switch so the motor is in gear and its a push button shifter and it wont shift into any other gear i did check the oil in the lu and it looked good but a little came out is that what would keep it from shifting any ideas on this sorry about the spelling lol
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: electric shift

(Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Preminum Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

F_R

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Re: electric shift

Good advice, above. Just a side note, the push button switches were somewhat troublesome.
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: electric shift

so if im getting this if i shut off my motor while in forward gear, i wont be able to start it again? from what your saying that the motor has to be moving to shift, if its in forward gear when i shut it off then the safety switch wont let it start agin?
 

F_R

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Re: electric shift

It seems like we are talking about two different issues here.
1. The safety switch keeps you from starting with an advanced throttle. If your problem is that the starter won't run, you can ground the white wire that goes to the safety switch and try again. If it now cranks, yes the safety switch is bad. The safety switch has nothing whatsoever to do with shifting.

2. The shifting is an entirely different thing. It depends on the push button switch feeding a voltage to the blue and green wires previously mentioned. From that point on, the actual shifting is done by hydraulic pressure. The motor has to be running in order to develop hydraulic pressure. If the motor is not running, the shift will automatically go into forward gear.

Your original problem with not going into reverse could be the push button switch or it could be low or contaminated oil or wrong oil. Or it could be a problem with the hydraulic pump or shifter. The same lubricating oil in the lower unit serves also as hydraulic fluid for shifting.
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: electric shift

so it wont hurt the motor to start in gear? becuse i couldnt get it to do anything till i grounded that safety switch and as soon as i did that it would crank but i didnt let it crank but for a second becuse i wasnt sure if it was safe to start in gear
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: electric shift

No, it's not safe to start a engine in gear. That's an excellent way to hurt yourself or someone else. Take one problem at a time and correct it properly. Patch work can kill a person!
 

F_R

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Re: electric shift

It won't hurt the motor to start it in gear. It's people and property that you have to look out for.

Since it defaults to forward gear when not running, it will always be in forward gear as you go to start the motor. BUT if the shift is working properly it will shift to neutral as soon as the motor starts to turn over, assuming the neutral button is pushed of course. It only takes about a revolution or two of the shaft to actuate the shift.

Use reasonable safety precautions (tie it to the dock, run on muffs, or whatever) and go ahead and get your motor running. Then you can tell if the shift is working properly. You can't tell much without the motor running.
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: electric shift

well im going to just ground the safety switch for now and see if i can get her running and then go from there any ideas on where i can get a new push button shifting setup at and thanks again for the help and everyone on iboatsd:)
 

OBJ

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Re: electric shift

Google up Twin City outboard or SeaWay Marine. Both have a good selection of discontinued OEM parts. I would really look for a good used switch. A new one will be hard on the pocket book.
 

DARKCLOWN

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Re: electric shift

OBJ said:
Google up Twin City outboard or SeaWay Marine. Both have a good selection of discontinued OEM parts. I would really look for a good used switch. A new one will be hard on the pocket book.


well i should ask first is there a way to test the switch to see if its bad? and whats the tech term for the part just a shift button or somthing?
 

F_R

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Re: electric shift

The part number is 279090 but is listed as no longer available. Try the sources previously listed. A used one MIGHT be a good deal, or a bad waste of good money since they were so troublesome.

Get your motor running and check or change the gear oil and get back with us for testing details if it doesn't shift. No need to go into all that if there is no problem, or if it's just low or contaminated oil. First things first is good policy.
 
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