Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

achris

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Hello all,

I thought I would share something I found tonight. Over the weekend I was out on the boat, and ran about 60 nautical miles, around 3 hours on the engine. When I got home and did an engine check I found a very slight salt line on the port exhaust manifold, emanating from the elbow gasket.

As the weather is a little cooler tonight (only 25C at the moment, was high of 32C today, but very humid), I decided to pull the elbow and replace the gasket. Part of any work I do involves an analysis of the failure. What I found was this....

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A quick look was all that I needed to understand the reason... We old wrenches just love pullin' on bolts, and it's common practice to give bolts like exhaust manifolds, intake manifolds and those sorts of things a bit of a 'tweak' when we're doing a service. Just to be sure.... Well, it's not such a good idea on these puppies. The book torque is 45lb-ft, and I used a torque wrench when I put the new gasket on!!! If the bolts are over tightened, the elbow will crush the rubber water seal rings, and guess what... they don't seal the water in any more....

That's it folks, just for information....

Chris........
 

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Howard Sterndrive

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

the good news is that sort of leak won't lock up anyone's engine. the bad news is $80/pair for the "gaskets".

Is there any of the silvery paste on your risers or manifolds?.
 

achris

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

the good news is that sort of leak won't lock up anyone's engine. the bad news is $80/pair for the "gaskets".

Is there any of the silvery paste on your risers or manifolds?.

I wish!!! $120/pair here...

Just the old gasket material... which is like a silvery sticky stuff....
 

kilowatts

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

Hi Chris:

I might as well rise to the bait..."only 25 degrees C".......Please!

Kilowatts
 

achris

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

Hi Chris:

I might as well rise to the bait..."only 25 degrees C".......Please!

Kilowatts

Yeah, it's been a bit warm down here of late. Don't think we've seen a daytime temperature below 30 since about November.... :eek:

Actually looking forward to some cooler weather, probably around April....

:D :D :D :D
 

tazrig

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

Hello all,

I thought I would share something I found tonight. Over the weekend I was out on the boat, and ran about 60 nautical miles, around 3 hours on the engine. When I got home and did an engine check I found a very slight salt line on the port exhaust manifold, emanating from the elbow gasket.

As the weather is a little cooler tonight (only 25C at the moment, was high of 32C today, but very humid), I decided to pull the elbow and replace the gasket. Part of any work I do involves an analysis of the failure. What I found was this....

attachment.php


A quick look was all that I needed to understand the reason... We old wrenches just love pullin' on bolts, and it's common practice to give bolts like exhaust manifolds, intake manifolds and those sorts of things a bit of a 'tweak' when we're doing a service. Just to be sure.... Well, it's not such a good idea on these puppies. The book torque is 45lb-ft, and I used a torque wrench when I put the new gasket on!!! If the bolts are over tightened, the elbow will crush the rubber water seal rings, and guess what... they don't seal the water in any more....

That's it folks, just for information....

Chris........


Chris, Just curious, does that gasket look a little bit melted to you as well or are you sure it was just over torqued? :noidea:
 

tazrig

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

the good news is that sort of leak won't lock up anyone's engine. the bad news is $80/pair for the "gaskets".


The really, really, really bad news is that Crazy Alice is the only one in your area that sells them... :lol:
 

achris

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Re: Dry-joint elbow gasket failure

Chris, Just curious, does that gasket look a little bit melted to you as well or are you sure it was just over torqued? :noidea:

Nope, just over-torqued....
 
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