Disturbing - What to do now?

Bubba1235

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We recieved an annual letter from the school board for our county (Worth) and while they tried to give it the old positive spin I looked at it with dismay.

After three years of pushing the "sciences" to improve students preparedness for higher education the results, well I think they suck big time. They break the sudents down into four groups:


What they call Step One: The student has the math skill to take advanced high school classes. 18% fall into this catagory.

Next is, Progressing: The student has shown improvement. 39% fall into this catagory.

Next, Nearing Proficentcy: The student should be able to move on to higher education but will need classes to get them fully up to speed in the sciences. 41% of the graduating students.

Finally, Proficient: The student is ready to go into math and the sciences in a higher education setting. Only 2% made the cut.


All I can do is shake my head and wonder what will happen to the next generation. :( :( :(
 

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Re: Disturbing - What to do now?

Don't even get me started on this subject Bubba...................... :mad:

This year our daughter's grade school started a "new" grading system with the students being ranked as "Exceeds, Meets, Approaches and Emergent". And for some reason, the students are being graded on many subjects that they won't learn until the end of the year, so everyone in the class gets an "Emergent" on those subjects. Needless to say my straight A daughter flipped out when she came home with her first report card saying she was emergent in a bunch of subjects. BRAVO school district! Way to build self esteem!

After some research I found that the school districts are not able to pass the "No Child Left Behind" standard, so they are getting creative.... If we can't pass our students with the traditional A B C D F grading system, let's create a new system that will.

I went to a PTA meeting and they were passing this off as "good thing" for the students, while not telling us that they have to do it because of No Child Left Behind. They hinted and tip-toed around the subject though.

I think it's a "huggy-feely, everyone gets a prize" grading system. This is starting from the bottom up out here, so by the time the kids get to the upper grades, who knows how competent they are actually going to be? They are more concerned about improvement than proficiency or excellence. A 4th grade student who progresses from a 3rd year grade level to 4.5 year grade level is deemed superior to a 4th grade student who progresses to a 5.25 year grade level,,, just because the lesser student showed more improvement... (There was a nice 5 minute video comparing a school student to a Olympic athlete to prove their point, or something of the sort. The school student was better then the Olympic athlete because they showed more improvement :rolleyes: :facepalm:)

I was going to post this subject a couple weeks ago, but was too fired-up about it at the time.
 

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We "Home Educated" our two offspring.

Both graduated College (Private) and are gainfully employed.

They are both amazed at the ineptitude of those with "Big School" degrees that know nothing. Can't comprehend anything.
 

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Being careful not start a fight or close the thread...

I moved to homeschooling a long time ago for several reasons. For a few more reasons, I have stayed there for the entirety of my kids' education. What you identify above is in the original list of reasons ... and each year I seem to find more reasons to have moved outta' the schools.
 

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We "Home Educated" our two offspring.

Both graduated College (Private) and are gainfully employed.

They are both amazed at the ineptitude of those with "Big School" degrees that know nothing. Can't comprehend anything.
... or "what he said." :D
 

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It was expensive...
For that, I am sorry. We're what I call a 1 1/2 income family (Admiral works in the home some), but home education hasn't been that big a financial burden yet.
 

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We recieved an annual letter from the school board for our county (Worth) and while they tried to give it the old positive spin I looked at it with dismay.

After three years of pushing the "sciences" to improve students preparedness for higher education the results, well I think they suck big time. They break the sudents down into four groups:


All I can do is shake my head and wonder what will happen to the next generation. :( :( :(

Was it their (or your) expectation to see marked improvement in 3 years ??? Perhaps that may be too little time. . . I think it may be more approriate to measure improvements on a 5-10 year horizon.

My kids went to public school and seemed to do pretty good, because they did not want anyone else getting better grades than them. :rolleyes:
 

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Therein lies the problem in my opinion.

This program should have been started early.

The foundation for a good education and active mind starts as a toddler.

Math and science should be pushed in grade school, just after the kids are able to communicate and do basic math.
 

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Yeah, it's not so much public vs. private, it's all about priorities. I guarantee you'll find a direct correlation between parents who are passionate and proficient in math and science and the 2% of students who are "proficient" as well. It's also no coincidence that the kids who struggle in school have parents who don't/didn't read to them as children, don't read much for themselves as adults and are just generally incurious about the world in which they live. Not to mention the fact that what people "believe" and "feel" has now been substituted for scientific facts, reason and evidence (e.g. "I don't believe in evolution, therefore it doesn't exist.", or "Hey I'm not a scientist, man." , or "You can't get pregnant from rape.", "Sure, sea levels are rising, but we don't like it so we'll just pass a law saying they aren't and they'll go away") Never mind the political connotations of such statements (all of which were disastrous, thankfully) they're simply factually incorrect and should therefore be ignored and dismissed. Yet in America, everyone is always right, no one is ever wrong, all opinions are equally valid, and we all get a trophy just for playing the game (Yippee!), all of which are utterly antithetical to science and the scientific method.
All the while the rest of the world laughs and laughs. They do Calculus in sixth grade in Vietnam, Japan and China for Pete's sake. Meanwhile, you can get through college in America and never even take Algebra!?!? WTF!!!! That's ok though, we'll just make up an excuse like "Well, I'm just not good at math", or "My major doesn't require that pesky science class, so I won't take it", or "I'm really smart, I just have ADD." etc...
Don't believe me, go look at the Chemistry, Physics, Engineering and Math departments at your local college/university and you'll find a distinct lack of homegrown talent, and that's no coincidence. Those students come from countries, cultures and families that value (scientific) education and rationalism over athletic endeavors and social popularity like so many of their American counterparts. In other words, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Curious, studious parents generally have curious, studious kids that do well in school.
Unfortunately, these issues follow the kids for the rest of their life. If you were and employer, who would you hire? The kid that did Calculus and programed robots in their free time since middle school without ever making an excuse, or the ignorant (and almost certainly fat) American who's only about inch away from believing the world is flat, but sure can hit a ball with a stick (but is probably too fat to retrieve it without getting winded)? Just look how many people go to high school sporting events vs. science fairs in America.
We praise and glorify ignorance in this country like no one else in the world, and yet we wonder why we're scientifically inept. Case in point, they just built a $20 million dollar High school football stadium in Texas at a time when almost half of their students are functionally illiterate and the educational laughing stock of the nation (and that's hard to do in America). The scariest part of all is that the parents didn't even care. In fact, they seem to take sort of a perverse pride in their ignorance. I guess it's not surprising when one of our own presidents had to ask himself "is our children learning?", shortly after he explained that the internet was "a series of tubes". Yeah, that guy went to Harvard and got to be president.....twice! That should tell you how much we "value" science in this country.
I do chemistry and math tutoring in my free time, and I can't even begin to tell you how ignorant these kids are about even the most basic aspects of the their own anatomy, physiology and physical forces at work in the world. It's especially worrisome that our scientific knowledge is plummeting, while our world is more dependent on science and technology than ever. Ultimately, kids do what you do, not what you say. If you're intellectually and scientifically incurious, or dogmatic in your thinking, then your kids will be to.
 

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We recieved an annual letter from the school board for our county (Worth) and while they tried to give it the old positive spin I looked at it with dismay.

After three years of pushing the "sciences" to improve students preparedness for higher education the results, well I think they suck big time. They break the sudents down into four groups:


What they call Step One: The student has the math skill to take advanced high school classes. 18% fall into this catagory.

Next is, Progressing: The student has shown improvement. 39% fall into this catagory.

Next, Nearing Proficentcy: The student should be able to move on to higher education but will need classes to get them fully up to speed in the sciences. 41% of the graduating students.

Finally, Proficient: The student is ready to go into math and the sciences in a higher education setting. Only 2% made the cut.


All I can do is shake my head and wonder what will happen to the next generation. :( :(

.....I wonder if they'll find grammar and spelling as challenging as their predecessors.... :eek::D;)

What's that old expression, you can lead a horse to water but you can't stop him from dangling a participle or hanging a gerund...

I have a lot more confidence in the next generation than you seem to have. :)
 

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It is not a problem so much with our education system, it is a problem with our cultural norms. The idea that it might take a child 13 or 15 years to meet proficiency standards (without ridicule or embarrassment) is unacceptable today.

I finished High School in 11 years, my half brother in 14 years. We have both made good lives and careers because we were ready for them.

Lock step is entirely unsuitable for children of differing learning skills and motivations. That is why Home Schooling is so successful.
 

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.....I wonder if they'll find grammar and spelling as challenging as their predecessors.... :eek::D;)

What's that old expression, you can lead a horse to water but you can't stop him from dangling a participle or hanging a gerund...

I have a lot more confidence in the next generation than you seem to have. :)

as soon as a software developer comes up with " grammar check".....all the kids will ace that part of their edumacation!!
 

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the no child left behind programs are dumbing down the children its that simple.
 

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It is not a problem so much with our education system, it is a problem with our cultural norms. The idea that it might take a child 13 or 15 years to meet proficiency standards (without ridicule or embarrassment) is unacceptable today.

I finished High School in 11 years, my half brother in 14 years. We have both made good lives and careers because we were ready for them.

Lock step is entirely unsuitable for children of differing learning skills and motivations. That is why Home Schooling is so successful.
Well Said JB.
 

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as soon as a software developer comes up with " grammar check".....all the kids will ace that part of their edumacation!!

In a sense we have that now. Turnitin : Leading Plagiarism Checker, Online Grading and Peer Review Good stuff there my daughter was hauled up before admin due to word use frequency the paper was analyzed and the contextal matter was much different but it had everyone going for while.. Fascinating program
 

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We "Home Educated" our two offspring.

Both graduated College (Private) and are gainfully employed.

They are both amazed at the ineptitude of those with "Big School" degrees that know nothing. Can't comprehend anything.

Ditto, on all counts. Mine are in their mid to late twenties. One has a masters, the other a bachelors. They have never had a problem getting a job.

When will people learn that the Federal and NEA control of their schools is the root of the issue. You go back in time and read letters written by students who went to the little one room red school houses and you will be amazed. Education has morphed into a huge self serving bureaucracy. Some might say that the purpose being is to dumb down the citizenry. Methinks they are right, they are doing a bang up job of it. Of course it does not help that too many parents are divorced from the endeavor and have turned over their responsibility to this voracious monster.
 

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Dummem down into little brown shirts. Can't say more than that without becoming political.
 

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I grant I don't proof read like I should, but it's not a case of not having the first clue how to do it. (call it being lazy in my old age :redface:)

I get that....and in fairness, it does not really cause any problem in understanding what you are writing.

But you are clearly implying that the system that educated you is/was far superior to the current one; if I was making that claim I would try to demonstrate it. ;)
 

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Ditto, on all counts. Mine are in their mid to late twenties. One has a masters, the other a bachelors. They have never had a problem getting a job.

When will people learn that the Federal and NEA control of their schools is the root of the issue. You go back in time and read letters written by students who went to the little one room red school houses and you will be amazed. Education has morphed into a huge self serving bureaucracy. Some might say that the purpose being is to dumb down the citizenry. Methinks they are right, they are doing a bang up job of it. Of course it does not help that too many parents are divorced from the endeavor and have turned over their responsibility to this voracious monster.

Take a chill pill boom.:D
 
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