Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

Sal G

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Thanks Dhadley for responding about my 1985 VRO<br />that has a detonated piston. Yes- I now believe <br />water was the cause of the problem. Had it last year and I simply thought it was water in the fuel because engine would bog down.<br />Drained tank (got at least 1 pint of water) as much as possible and installed a Racor fuel/water separator as a safeguard. Then I thought it was a carb problem but ruled that out beacause when it did kick into hi speed it ran fantastic with 0 hesitation. Pretty much ruled out a lean mixture because I think the engine wouldn't run as well as it did if one cylinder was starved for fuel.Piston / cylinders look wide. Pistons have flat heads.<br />The gasket I replced is an exact clone of the one that was damaged. Old one actually had a couple <br />of dings in the metal ring and a score mark on the <br />plastic gasket area which now I believe was<br />symbolic of the very beginning of piston detonation. The water that eventually started to enter through the damaged gasket probably accelarated the detonation problem. All of you guys out there have taught me so much about outboards- and I am so thankful. Plugs are and always been Champions- # I don't remember off the top of my head but I know they are the correct plugs. I originally purchased them from an Evinrude dealer, though the the last set with the same # (cross reference- same plug but they drop a couple of #s- but we double checked with Champion part chart) Does this make a difference? The boat ran as well as it ever did, so I thought I was doing the right thing.<br />The boat is docked at a marina and my trailer is in storage at a boat yard. The area I fish is less<br />than a 1/4 of a mile from the marina. I dread the thought of wasting 1/2 a season- the time it would take to get the trailer/boat towed, parts, labor from a friend who is willing to help me out. Plus the marina won't allow me a partial refund for the slip because it is a municipality.<br />Is it safe to run at an EXTREMELY low speed just to get to fishing area- or am I completely clueless.<br />3 out the 4 pistons in this engine are in great shape and I surely don't want to do anything stupid.<br />A response from CastawayRay in this forum also suggested that it would OK to simply bore out that one cylinder and use a slightly wider piston that is used for this type of problem. The top cover which holds the spark plug (guesss you would call it a head cover?) has been beat up by the disintergrated piston. Can that area simply be ground down or do I need to purchase a new/used part? Thanks for all your help <br /><br />Sal G
 

Dhadley

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Re: Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

OK. If the piston domes are completely flat you still have the small bore powerhead. No problem. <br /><br />It seems like you are sticking with Champion plugs. Thats good. It also sounds like you may be looking for a new/used cylinder head. That shouldnt be too hard to find. <br /><br />Yes you can change one piston if the other cylinders measure within spec. On a 1985 motor I would be suprised if they did. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

Sal G

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Re: Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

Many, many thanks for your reply.<br />Am I correct by assuming that this idea<br />of simply boring one cylinder would be<br />highly unlikely because it is a 1985 engine.<br />Sorry- I'm just so clueless about this stuff <br />Please help me to understand that so I can translate info when ordering parts and dealing with machinist<br />2nd thought- how about bore and sleeve as to match<br />the exact specs of original cylinder.<br />Last- can I still run that engine at very low speed<br />without jeopardizing the 3 good pistons.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br />Sal G
 

papasage

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Re: Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

in back post i have red you can bor 1 cylinder . the oversized piston is the same weigh . so it wouldnt make any difference . papasage
 

Dhadley

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Re: Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

Yes you could resleeve too but that gets expensive and unless the cylinder is beyond boring, kind of unnecessary. <br /><br />If it were mine I wouldnt run it anymore at this point. The thing to do is get it apart and let the machine shop measure it. Dont tell them what to bore -- let them measure it and give you a reccommendation based off of the measurements. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

93bronco

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Re: Dhadley # 685- I'm responding to your reply

i caught my 88 140 just as it scoured the cylinders due to a lean condition, that overheated causing cylinder head & gasket failure.<br />when i took the heads in to get checked they had to resurface them. shop said they needed it.<br />even if you get one replacement head <used><br />make sure to have them checked.
 
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