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DJ

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DD,<br /><br />I posted this at the tale end of one your posts. I'm just curious, since I've never been on the wrong side of the law.<br /><br />My question is: <br /><br />
No offense meant here. But, what happens to those confiscated items from INNOCENT people?<br /><br />I watch the police shows and see them tear apart a car, etc. to only find out the perp. was innocent. But the car, or whatever, is destroyed. Not to mention the years of "lot rot" waiting for a "judgement". <br /><br />Who pays?<br /><br />Somehow, I think the innocent does. If that's true, that's a travesty.<br /><br />I HOPE I'm wrong.<br />
 

tommays

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the same thing that happens to your legal costs when your falsely accused and have to go to trial<br /><br />tommays
 

ZmOz

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The cops say "here's your car back, have a good day".
 

jtexas

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hope you don't mind me jumping in even though I'm not a LEO or a lawyer...the constitution protects you from "unreasonable" searches (thanks to iboats, I have recently read the constitution)...if you think they were unreasonable you can sue the officers, the police force, & whatever jurisdiction they belong to (city/county/state). Good luck!
 
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DJ

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Re: deputydawg???? Or, anyone in law enforcement.

jtexas,<br /><br />Understood. That puts the burden on the falsely accused. Something tells me that is not how it should be.<br /><br />I know law enforcement is severely handcuffed already. I just don't see how its fair for a falsely accused person to have to suffer financially for the actions (sometimes overzealous) of authorities.<br /><br />I also can't stomach how some of those arrogant SOB's on the CSI shows use intimidation such as the IRS or the long arm of the law. I call that harrassment.
 

ErikDC

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You watch too much TV, DJ! :p
 

alden135

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> (thanks to iboats, I have recently read the constitution)
:)
 

Ron G

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Im no law man but if your innocent you should get it back,but the question is why did they take it if they was innocent?????
 

Wimperdink

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Reminds me of about 6 years ago. I recieved a ticket for riding my atv across a street in the small town I lived in. (population 175) Mayor and I were next door neighbors and hated eachother. He called the local police officer and he gave me a ticket all while telling me he didnt want to but had to since the mayor was watching from down the street. I blew it off. dumb dumb dumb Long story short, I got pulled over for speeding 2 months later in another town and a diff officer, and knew I was getting arrested for the atv ticket not paid. (keep in mind I am and always have been 100% drug free) I have long hair at the time and the officer tells me he can smell marijuana in my car. I tell him he's mistaken. He asks to search my vehicle. I said sure have at it. He tells me to put my hands on the hood of his car and goes to digging. 5 minutes into it and I'm laughing, I ask him if he would kindly put the trash in a pile on the floor so its easier to clean out when I get home. I go to jail for a grand total of 30 minutes while I wait for buddy to get there with my $100 bail money. The officer and I ended up joking and laughing by the end of it all. For 2 years after that he always stopped to talk to me whenever we met in a gas station or other public place.
 

Bob in Calif.

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DJ..............<br /><br />In Calipornia, if your car and/or contents is damaged or taken and not returned, or you are injured by "Barney Fife" or one or more of his co-workes, without justifacation you can file a claim with the city, county or state agency that caused your loss, damage or injury. If the grown up's deny your claim, you can file suit for the loss, damage, etc and punitive damage, providing nothing that was taken was unlawfully poessed or obtained or any criminal activity on your part.<br /><br />In Calipornia, the small claims court suit maxium award is $5000 American dollars. If your claim for damages, acutal and punitive, exceeds the $5000 maxium, the suit be filed in and heard in superior court, where the sky is the limit.<br /><br />This is the basics. I can give you more info if you need it.<br /><br />...Bob in Calif... "Having spent 30 good years, wrestling drunks for a living and other related activites on the street and confined places."
 

deputydawg

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I have seen officers who will be destructive when searching vehicles, houses, and other personal property. That is definately wrong! Our policy is when we do a search do not break anything unless it is absolutely necessary. If we do break something out of reckless disreguard then we are personally liable and must pay for repairs out of pocket.<br />If we impound a car then we have a legal reason to do so. We will not impound unless it is necessary, mostly because it costs us money from our budget to impound. Even if the fees are paid by the owner, we can not collect money it goes back to the county general fund so we lose from our budget. <br />Anything we do break, such as a door to a house, the county will accept a claim for repairs. You must pay first then submit a claim for re-imbursement. In almost all cases as long as the repair is not unreasonable for the damage it will be paid back in full. <br />As for the falsly accused having to pay out legal fees, that is why we can not and will not go to court without probable cause for the arrest or citation. Probable cause means the suspect has put himself into a situation that leaves clear and convincing evidence that the person committed the crime. Sometimes it is possible that the evidence is not as it appears, but there should be a reasonable explination that clears things up before court. The courts also look to see, how often is the common decent law abiding citizen falsly accused? I have met a few that have been falsly accused many many times, but I personally have not been. None of my friends have ever been. This thought and the probable cause are designed and in MOST if not all cases eliminate the innocent from having to defend against false accusations. If someone is falsely accused, and it is proven in court then the department or municipality can be sued for false arrest.<br />Back to the damage question, if an officer damages property in a search then they and or their department are liable for the damage. And it is typical that only the decent citizens that are completly innocent will actually go to the trouble of claiming damages. But then those people are usually not accused in the first place.<br />A few years ago I was on a traffic stop where a dog indicated on the rear quarter panel of the car. We searched but found nothing. In the ned we had to tear the car apart to get inside of the rear fender, and had to bust the tires to search there. We found nothing. We were all getting nervous until we checked and found this vehicle had made 2 border crossings within 48 hours, and the DEA had been watching this vehicle. Turns out the driver was hired to run a load of dope over the border, unload, and keep the car as payment for his part of the transport. The passenger got paid 5,000 which we did find, for his part of the trip. This was the same value as the car. We did damage the vehicle, and keep it in impound for several days. The driver came back and paid for all charges without a complaint. If he would have claimed we would have had to pay for repairs.<br /><br />Hope this answers your question.
 

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I just saw your reply to the other post and think I catch your meaning. <br />In the case there, if they are found not guilty or the case is thrown out, they get the property back. If the prosecuting attorney does not think there is any value as evidence in the items taken then they are given back and all damages covered by the county. If they are convicted and the items taken are not illegal to own, they will get them backc in 30 days. We have to wait for the appeal time to run out in case we need to go back to trial. <br />In the case I posted we will have to go through condemnation proceedings, prove that the stuff taken was an instrument of the crime and therefore should be taken from them. In reality we will have to give it all back I am sure. <br />If we do keep the vehicles we have the option of placing them in our inventory for department use, or selling at public auction. We of course can not buy from or have an agent of ours buy the property. The money then goes into what we call the black hole (general fund).
 

Black69

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The same here in Idaho...You break it, you pay for it.We can seize the property but you better have good probable cause. They actually have a court date on the property seized and it may or may not be returned to the owner depending on the charges and the outcome of the court hearing.
 
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DJ

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All,<br /><br />I understand, thanks so much for the replies.<br /><br />I agree that much more often than not, the accused is a dirtbag.<br /><br />In my line of work, I've been to numerous police garages/impound lots, etc. I was not impressed with the care taken to keep the property free from further weather damage, etc. It seems a little bit of care (rolling the windows up) might just save the agencies allot of money.
 

Terry H

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I wonder if OJ got his gloves and knife back...hmmmm. Chief ;)
 

Homerr

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No Chief... I think I saw them on EBay !!<br /><br /><br /> :) <br /><br />H.
 

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I bought 'em..... and they STILL DON'T FIT !!! :)
 
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