Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

OldNavy80

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In only a handful of departures and arrivals with my boat, each occassion has been exciting to say the least. I have tried to be slow and smooth or powerful and direct to get her backed in or out of the channel without getting blown into anything. Yesterday with a 5-8 mph wind from the stern, I launched and by the time I got her swung around to head out the wind blew me into the pilings of thankfully empty Marina mate docks across from me. Its nerve wracking, everytime you think you did it right the next time it gets even more hair raising! Any advice besides selling the boat? LOL
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

practice. get to know you boat and what it is going to do. it is a large boat with a lot of side board to catch the wind. are you running twins or single motor. if twins, learn to use them to control the boat, and pivot.
 

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Ayuh,..............

Lots,+ Lots of Seat Time,..............

Preferably when Nobodyelse is around to Watch...............;)

For alittle more Hull Friendly practice,......
Tie a float to the end of an Anchor Line,+ Toss it in........
Then see how close you can maneuver to it, from different directions........
 

QC

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Do you head into your slip or back in? Often reverse has the best directional control as you are "pulling" instead of "pushing".

Does this boat have twins? I think I see two controls in your "Show yer boat" post. There are many methods to use, however, if she has twin engines you can use one in forward and one in reverse to spin her within her own length. With that ability, usually you can point into the wind, or down wind well before you blow anywhere.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

OldNavy, When coming into the dock you want to use the current or wind (whichever is stronger) to your advantage. If the wind/current is pushing you into the dock, plan to stop parallel to the dock, just off the dock and allow the wind/current to push you into it. If the wind/current is pushing you away from the dock, plan to power your way (dead slow) right close and parallel to the dock, and cut the power so your speed goes to zero as you near the dock. Tie off the lines on the end of the boat that is most affected by the wind or current.

I need to make a u-turn to get to my dock when returning from the bay. If the wind is strong enough(in any direction), I will make a "K" turn well down the lagoon, and hug the other boats, as I come back to my dock. if the wind is less strong, I will make the u turn, put the bow near the dock, hit neutral, thow the wheel hard over and use some reverse to pull the stern to the dock.

If the wind is really blowing, put the bow close to the dock, cleat the bow line and put the motor is reverse, wheel hard over and the motor will pull you to the dock.

If you are leaving the dock, let the wind/current push you off the dock, then put the motor into gear. If the wind/current pushes you against the dock and you cannot push off sufficiently (by hand), use the motors in reverse to pull the stern away from the dock.


BTW - boats usually handle quite differently from each other. Even boats that are similar in design can handle differently from each other. For example, my 21' dual console can make the u-turn on my lagoon is 1/2 the width. My 16' speedboat cannot make the bloody turn at all, unless I gun the motor a bit, which is dangerous in such a confined space.
 

External Combustion

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Old Navy:

I was lucky when I got my feet on deck as I learned in a row boat. This gave me minimal power against the curent or wind. What I learned has worked with all of the sail, outboards, inboards, and sterndrives that I have had the fortune of skippering. It even worked with in the one, and only one time I handled a 1400 tonner under the watchfull eye of her captian and her pilot.

Bow and stern spring lines will allow you to turn into the wind or current without any risk if you have the turning room. Learn to use them and you will appear as though you grew up on the water.

There are two great books that illustrate how it is done easily. The first to those of us handling little boats is Chapman's "Piloting", commonly known simply as Chapman's. The other is "Knight's Modern Seamanship" which from what I understand the Navy still uses. Another Navy text which I have not seen, but a reliable friend who did use it at Anapolis is the "Bluejacket Manual" and one other, which I do have is the NY Yacht Clubs manual on sailing.

From personal experience, the first mentioned will get you to handling the boat like a pro. Simply take a small boat to a wharf and move it about just a few feet with the wind and current in various directions and you will soon get the hang of it. In less than 10 hours you will acheive a gut reaction as to how to maneuver your vessel and anyone who would observe your "playing" would think that you are simply turning you vessel around.

I am surprised the old salts here have not mentioned these texts. I suppose that the older ones have a good dose of CRS, as do I, or the younger ones have been lucky enough to learn under the tutelage of a master.

Good luck and keep trying! Remember that we all have to learn new skills no mater how old we are or when we start.
 

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

This reminds me of a story my Dad would tell when he first took command of the U.S.S. Albert W. Grant near the end of WWII...

"I?ll never forget my first landing of the Grant alongside a dock. Upon our return to port, we were assigned a berth alongside a new pier that had just been completed at Treasure Island. A full ebb tide was running and the current off the pier was very strong. My first inclination was to anchor and wait for slack water, but this would have involved a long delay so I decided to go ahead with the landing. We steamed upstream against the current and turned the ship so that she headed directly towards the slip upstream of our berth. We then went ahead at standard speed and the current carried us down so that upon arrival at the pier we were lined up with our berth. Then we backed all engines full, felt the screws take hold and the ship shuddered to a stop at the exact spot we wanted to be. It was a great landing but in retrospect quite risky. I can still see those rocks on the shoreline at the end of the pier as we backed engines and hoped that she would stop in time."

So, to answer your question, I guess it's just a matter of experience fed by a decent serving of ba**s.
 

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What he said ^^^^^^ ;)
 

OldNavy80

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Thank you Guys for the overwhelming response, if you go on Marinas.com look at Nichols Marina in Staten Island, I think its tight, my boat is a 32' chris craft, twin 270hp crusaders. She is almost 12' beam which I think makes her slide more then the usual. I forgot to mention Iam a Navy Veteran 4 years on an Ammo ship , I have time on boats and around boats and even in the Navy we shattered some concrete in Scotland once. From what Ive read and heard from my dockmates , practice, practice, practice and most of all important remain calm if things dont go right. If you look at the marina she is tight and the fact that its surrounded by water on 3 sides further compounds the environmentals. Guys, sincerely appreciate the advice!
 

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

A lot of boats up in New York are using bow thrusters to aid in getting in and out of slips. Find a friend or some one who has one and get their opinion. Or just keep trying. Good luck!:)
 

special_kaye

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

One thing I did when much younger, take the boat out, find an old dock or abandoned pier, and just do a couple hours of approach and depart practice. In the Navy, we called these touch and goes. You'd be very surprised what it'll do for your skill, but mostly your confidence. Use different angles, different speeds, different sides.
 

swordfish25

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

you have to allow for the wind if possiable. Boats do not like to back up as good in one direction as they do in the other.Find the way it likes to go and turn thet way ( single engine ) Twins is much better and easier. Like they said Practice.
 

QC

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Almost two year old thread guys . . . Good info here, but the OP has long since fingered this out. At least I hope so :eek:
 

special_kaye

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

Almost two year old thread guys . . . Good info here, but the OP has long since fingered this out. At least I hope so :eek:

Now, where's that thread on post padding?
 

David Greer

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

It may be an old thread but it's a timeless topic. No one mentioned the torque drift on a single screw on a large boat.

When teaching my children to drive (albeit much smaller boats) I made them do touch-and go's against a steep marsh bank, because it's soft, and when they were better, a piling out in the middle of the river, from all directions.

A mistake I see a lot of newbies do: they try to drive as slowly as they can to the dock in gear, as if they have brakes. With older motors, that's when they cut off on you. I tell them to bump in and out of gear, and coast in in neutral, rather than go slow in gear.

You should be able to get in without using reverse as a brake, although it's available if you misjudge. You never want to go directly from forward to reverse, and even in neutral, a prop spins if the boat is moving, so if you are coasting at a good clip in neutral you still don't want to put it into reverse. I've seen the ground down clutch dogs and filings in the lower unit oil from those who don't know any better.
 

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Re: Departing/Docking Windy Conditions

keep the bow into the wind if possible until the last minute and use just enough throttle to compensate.
 
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