Crossflow V-4 conversion

HPPants

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'84 OMC 115 - broke a piston ring on the exhaust port - Carbon build up - Classic. Since I'm rebuilding it anyway, I would like to inquire about what to do to convert it to a 140 HP. Obviously, I will need the looper heat exchanger - not too hard to find. What else will I need? What jet size for the carbs? I have the Cyclmer book - use the 140 timing spec? Are the pistons the same? Charge coil? Reed valves?<br /><br />BTW - I disconnected the VRO the day I bought it. Plastic oil pumps and saltwater do not mix. Local commercials have good luck with the Yamaha's system - metal gear pump.<br /><br />The tired 115 pushed my boat pretty good, but I would'nt argue with 25 more horses when I need them.<br /><br />Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

CAPTBLACKSMARINE

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A TRUE 140 YOU WILL HAVE TO CUT ON THE EXHAUST AND INTAKE PORTS,WHICH IS BETTER LEFT TO A PROFESSIONAL . I WOULD NOT RECOMEND THIS FOR SOMEONE TO DO WITH OUT ALOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING SO.AS FAR AS THE EXHAUST TUNER IT IS NOT A BAD IDEA BUT THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE VERY MINIMAL .AND IF YOU CHANGE THE JETS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE YOU WILL NOTICE IS IN YOUR FUEL CONSUMPTION.SO IT IS UP TO YOU BUT IN MY OPINION IT REALLY IS NOT WORTH IT.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

The timing, pistons, charge coils and reeds are the same on a 115 crossflow and a 140 crossflow. So are the flywheels and intake manifolds. Use the 115 carbs as is and the 115 heads (which you most likely need one of anyway). I'm not sure what you mean by the 140 looper heat exchanger. Are you asking if you can change your crossflow to a looper?<br /><br />Something else to think about -- if you coked a piston and broke a ring you aren't getting the full potiental out of your 115. What's your RPM's? 5200-5400? <br /><br />The block can be ported to the 140 CF specs by the shop that does the boring. Put on the 140 style exhaust plates but don't worry about the inserts. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

CAPTBLACKSMARINE

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

DHADLEY,WHY NOT THE INSERTS FOR THE EXHAUST?WHAT ABOUT THE RUBBER STUFFING BLOCKS FOR THE INTAKE?
 

HPPants

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

The machinist says he can port the block for 140 hp. He also has a used tuned heat exchanger I can have. I'm sure the main jets for the carbs have to be larger, though.<br /><br />WOT under full load was 5500 - 5800 under light load. Compression was 120 in 3 good holes at time of breakage. 30 in the pooped hole (he he).<br /><br />This is not the first crossflow V-4 I've worked on. I bought this powerhead used. Although I decarbonized twice, it did'nt help. Carbon buildup in the ring groove causes the ring to expand. Combine this with a little piston slap and its only a matter of time before the top ring gets caught on the edge of the exhaust port. This motor apparently does'nt burn the oil very well. As a matter of practice, I've leaned the mixture a little (45 to 1), run only TCW-3, decarbonize every 100 hours religiously, and run the motor WOT for at least 2 minutes at the end of every trip (heat up the chambers and "blow it out"). The Yamaha does a much better job, but I've got plenty of used OMC parts and more time than money - if you know what I mean.<br /><br />Any further comments would be greatly appreciated. I'll research further as well. Thanks much for the help.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

HPPants.... I'd advise you to forget that adventure. The water passageways are different in the exhaust baffle area, a portion of the block in that area would require cutting and machining, also the lower exhaust tuning megaphone is different etc etc. It's really not worth the aggravation that one would encounter in an attempt to gain 25hp.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

I still dont understand what you mean by heat exchanger. Are you are talking about the tuned (bubbled) exhaust? If so you can bolt it on. It will work -- I've done it many times. The high speed jets in the carbs will work as they are. The carbs are jetted for the venturi size. <br /><br />The V4 crossflows gain a few RPM without the exhaust inserts. At 5800 You will see about 80 to 100 RPM. At 7000 we saw 200. Use the rubber inserts in the intake if you have them. We really never saw much difference with or without them below 6200. <br /><br />You say you leaned out the oil ratio to 45:1 but thats running more oil. What brand oil are you using? What spark plugs? Usually at 5800 coking is not that big a problem especially since you decarbon regularly. What brand pistons? What happens with coking (on an OMC piston) is the ring (most likely the lower) sticks in on the backside (oposite the gap end), the piston loses support, the piston rocks excessively (slap) and the gap end breaks off. <br /><br />Let us know!
 

HPPants

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Hello All!<br /><br />By heat exchanger, I'm am referring to the bolted plates on the rear of the block, in which water passes through, thereby "exchanging the heat" of the exhaust as it leaves the motor. On crossflow 140's, there is a bubble in the casting of this device. I believe Mr. Reeves calls this the "lower exhaust tuning megaphone". I can only assume that this causes less restriction for the exhaust, which probably increases the horsepower of the motor - especially at high speeds.<br /><br />My mistake on the oil-ratio. Instead of 16oz per 6 gallons, I mix 13.5 oz, which equates to approx. 56.9 to 1. This should help reduce my carbon problem, and judging from the looks of the crankshaft assembly, this is not having an adverse effect on lubrication requirements.<br /><br />I did notice some piston slap on the broken side a couple of trips before the breakdown. Come to think about it, the last block I had, which I rebuilt twice, broke a lower ring in the same location - at the exhaust port. In all 3 cases now, there is carbon buildup on the backside of the broken (lower) ring. This makes sense because this side is colder and would be more suseptible to caking. Incidently, I did not have a chance to rebuild my first block a third time. When I was washing the block during the 2nd rebuild, I inadvertently blew out one of the cross drill plugs for the oil passageway for the center crank bearing. Obviously, this is under vacuum. Apparently, the powerhead gasket was not installed correctly, and this thing was allowed to suck salt water from the bottom along with gas from the intake. Over a year, this lead to the demise of the crank, and ultimately the block. I won't do that again.<br /><br />After a discussion with the machinist, I decided to leave the 115 alone. An avid outboard racer, he tells me that in 140 configuration, the horsepower difference doesn't materialize until after 5000 rpm. For me, this doesn't help. I've got a fishing boat - put it on step and run about 4300 for long periods. I was looking for holeshot and its not going to happen. Given my prevous info, the boat is propped right and I'll just have to live with everything else. It's just not worth the extra effort and fuel consumption. BTW - the current block had OEM pistons in it. I asked the machinist about using forged pistons (Wiesco), but he suggested going with the cast ones instead. Says the extra weight on the crank is unnecessary. Also, I use the stock spark plugs - champions. Finally, after the first carbon failure, I tried the OMC oil. When it happened again, I went back to Itasca and this does'nt seem to matter. I am open to opinions on this though.<br /><br />Awesome discussion - thanks to all of you for your input! I will visit this webpage from time to time.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

HPPants.... The bubble part you mention that bolts to the back of the block is called a "Exhaust Baffle Plate" or "Exhaust Manifold". The "Tuning Megaphone" is bolted to the underside of the adapter plate that the powerhead bolts to.
 

Dhadley

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Re: Crossflow V-4 conversion

I am a little suprised that the E/J oil coked up at 5800 RPM. That's a little unusual. I think you are on the right track but don't be afraid of the Wiseco forged piston. The total assembly weight (piston, rings, pin and clips) is within specs of the E/J pistons. That's why you can mix and match them if you have to. Just make sure your machinist knows which pistons and fuel you are using so he can clearance accordingly.<br /><br />Let us know how you make out. Good luck!
 
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