copy FICHT EMM for spare?

RK

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I just bought a 2001 200hp FICHT engine. I would really like to have a spare EMM that is already set up for my injectors. I bough the software to connect to the data port on the engine. Can I copy all the data from the current EMM [ including injector data ] then connect to a used EMM and copy it over to that one? Would that work or does the software erase the donor EMM or otherwise make this not possible? I plan on boating along ways away from any marina I would sure like to have a spare EMM if for no other reason peace of mind. Thanks
 

boobie

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Call BRP customer service at 1-262-884-5993 and ask them.
 

RK

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Okay. I was hoping somebody on these forums had experience with this. Not sure BRP would be completely forth coming on the matter.
 

gm280

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I would think that IF you can interface the data port and be able to read the firmware, then you can copy it and store it for later usage. However, If you are worried about it being erased, then maybe you should ask questions via the manufacture first. I personally don't think reading the firmware would erase it, but then I didn't set up their data capabilities either. But I've read many different types of firmware in many different pieces of equipment and not once did it erase the info... I even had to read and save firmware and then decode it. Not that was very interesting for certain... JMHO!
 

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Whenever we had a problem with a cpu on a Ficht back a few years ago, we had to inform Bombardier of the serial number, problem and send it back to the factory. That way they kept close control on it and it's software. Today, they don't work on these older cpu's. We have to send them to Florida, where a couple of ex-OMC guys repair them-and do a great job. We've not done any work on transferring software-if it's even possible.
 

RK

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Okay thank you guys. I did just today connect my PC and it read all the data and saved it but I will contact BMP and ask them about making a duplicate EMM.
 

daselbee

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Okay. I was hoping somebody on these forums had experience with this. Not sure BRP would be completely forth coming on the matter.

Boy you got that right!!!!

If u call them, let us know what they say! Should be interesting.
 

RK

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This is what it says in the diag software. I sure wish I knew what all this meant? Seems like this the stuff IT"S supposed to transfer over.
? There are two criteria that must match for data transfer to be available.
? "Data File Version" must be greater than 30.
? Diagnostic Version" - Recipient EMM must be the same as Donor EMM.
? "Diagnostic Version Cylinder Count" - Recipient EMM must be the same or lesser than the Donor EMM.
? "Diagnostic Version Controller Type" - Recipient EMM must be the same as the Donor EMM.
? "EMM Type"
? "D.I." - Cannot transfer BRP EMM data into an OMC EMM.
? "E-TEC ?" - Cannot transfer if COLDTEST is loaded.
? "Software Version" - Recipient must be the same as the Donor.
 

daselbee

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This is a complicated question full of legalities, and full of experts that hold this information as if they have some kind of national secret to guard.
If all you want is to have a spare EMM, then get a good EMM from a motor your age, same PN, same HP, etc, and install it on your engine. Use the software to manually enter the parameters for the six injectors. You should have them by now, read out from the original EMM, with the software you bought.
When you run the spare, it will work just fine. The differences will be the engine ID, engine serial number, hours run, stored codes, stored EMM temps, etc.
But it will function just fine for your purposes. Now, if you want more...like an exact copy of the EMM from one to the other....good luck on that.
From BRP's viewpoint, that would mean to them that there were two EMMs out in the world with the same serial numbers. They will not allow that. This is why they required the old one sent in by a dealer....so they could control it as much as possible. In reality, you can put a 225HP EMM on an original 200 engine, and it would now be a 225...immediately...no other mods needed. Or, on the older models, you can up a 150 to a 175 by just swapping EMMs. So, when you consider that the EMM is an integral part of the emissions system, it is illegal to tamper with the emissions system....and you see where this is going.
If you PM me with your phone number, I will be glad to talk to you about all the gotchas that you may run into. It is just too much to write here...a guy would have to write a book....
 

RK

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full of experts that hold this information as if they have some kind of national secret to guard
LOL YES! Reminds me of some electrical inspectors I have met on jobs. Thanks for the detailed reply. I did PM you. I think I'll go with plan B... look for a working EMM of the same year and hp or close.
 
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