Continuous Trailer Trouble...

gdean7

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Have a 1994 Ford Ranger, brake lights are seperate from turn signals. Has a round 6 connector to it, and am trying to connect to a flat 4. Went to U-Haul to buy one of their connectors(adaptors as they are called here), and all it did was short out the brake light switch on my truck. The mechanic there had no clue what was going on and told me he could rewire my truck to make it a flat 4 for 80 bucks. This seems out of question to me for now, anyone have any ideas of why it would short out the brake light switch? Every single time I plug it into my trailer, the switch goes out(3 times now) I have no idea what to do. Thanks.
 

jtexas

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Re: Continuous Trailer Trouble...

I got just one idea:<br /><br />www.ford-trucks.com<br /><br />It's not a Ford company site, just an owners forum like this one. They've helped me out a few times.<br /><br />good luck.
 

Darren Smith

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Re: Continuous Trailer Trouble...

gdean, what you need is the converter box. It efectivly converts the separate turn and brake (3 wire) into the standard trailer wiring (2 wire) in which the turn and brake light are the same bulb. you can get one at uhaul, walmart, or any auto or marine parts store. The other option would be rewiring the trailer to the same set up as your truck with a third wire for brake lights. The only problem would be if you hook up to another trailer that is wired standard, you will have light problems and short out the brake light switch.
 

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gdean7,.........<br /><br />The Answer is in All Three(3) of your Threads........<br /><br />You NEED a Wiring Curcuit Converter to make your trailer lights to Work.............<br /><br />If you were to use 1 like this 1,...You'd have to Do Away with the 6 pin connector that's now mounted in your bumper........<br />
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<br /><br /><br />If you were to use this 1,<br />
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<br />You'd wire it in, Behind(Up-stream) the 6 pin connector, leaving the present plug Alone,... The New 4 pin would be Independent of the 6 pin.........<br /><br />The Way your truck is Currently Wired,.... It's Doing Exactly as Expected.....<br />You Can't just Adapt the Plug to 4 pin,... Without Adapting the Wiring Curcuits............
 

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gdean7,<br /><br />Bondo is right. You need a converter to make separate turn and brake lights work a single combo light.<br /><br />BUT....<br /><br />I got to thinking (I know, big trouble) and my '98 Mountianeer has separate turn and brake lights. The Mountianeer is pre-wired for towing with the 6 pin round connector w/cap behind the bumper. The truck also came with a 6 pin round to 4 pin flat short cable. It is just a cable, no converter box. And that makes my trailer lights work just fine. <br /><br />So my guess is that you need to:<br /><br />1) Get out your owners manual and look for any info on the trailer wiring.<br /><br />2) Stop at the Ford dealer and see if there is supposed to be a 6 to 4 cable that will make the trailer work right. <br /><br />I cannot for the life of me figure out how that factory supplied short cable does the convertion. But it does. Unless that round 6 pin is really wired for a 4 pin connection.<br /><br />One more thing... If you do end up getting a converter, buy a good one. Some of the inexpensive converters do not allow the brake lights to burn at full brightness. They work by putting resisters on the brake line and allow the the turn signal full 12 v to make the light blink when the brake is on. Buy a good one.
 

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Mark -- If a simple 6 to 4 adapater makes your trailer lights work, your adapter is built into the vehicle harness or you don't have a separate stop lamp circuit. No amount of simple wiring between a 6 pin round and a 4 pin flat adapter cable will make that system work without a converter. If it were possible there would be no need for the converters on these systems and you wouldn't see them in every auto supply section. Jumpering the brake light circuit to any other will cause problems in the tow vehicle and trailer lights will still not be right. So one of two options exist: 1) Add the converter or 2)add a separate set of lamps for brake lights on the trailer.
 

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Mark,<br /><br />Four diodes in the 6 pin connector body does the trick. They are wired as follows:<br /><br />From one vehicle brake wire one diode is wired in series to each trailer stop light (two diodes total).<br /><br />From each vehicle directional one diode is wired in series to the corresponding trailer stop light.<br /><br />VOILA! Instant converter.
 

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upinsmoke,<br /><br />Yep, I agree with you. I figure the stock 6 pin must be able to tell that there is a 6 to 4 adapter plugged into it in order to work properly. The adapter cable is a Ford supplied part. Maybe it trips a micro switch when plugged in or something to make it work properly. <br /><br />The Mountianeer has the yellow turns and red brakes, so it is truly separate circuits. I'll take a close look at the connections to see how it works.<br /><br />I once made my own converter using simple relay switches. If I remember right, it took 3 relays to run each tail light. It requires some relays to be normally open, and other to be normally closed. The blinker is used to operate a relay that interrupts the tail when the brake is on. I forget how I did the rest. A nice brain teaser to draw that diagram again.
 

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I once made my own converter using simple relay switches. If I remember right, it took 3 relays to run each tail light. It requires some relays to be normally open, and other to be normally closed. The blinker is used to operate a relay that interrupts the tail when the brake is on. I forget how I did the rest. A nice brain teaser to draw that diagram again.
Awfull Lot of Work, To get Around a $15.00 Part.................... ;)
 

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LIChuck,<br /><br />You posted while I was writing so I missed you. So that's how it's done. And to think I was messing around with relays.<br /><br />Bondo,<br /><br />That was a long time ago when I was much younger and smarter (oh, yeah :rolleyes: ).
 

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LI Chuck,<br /><br />I am confused. Trying to draw this out. Diodes are a one way valve, right? I don't understand how the turn signal can interupt the brake signal or vice versa.<br /><br />Got a diagram?<br /><br />Mark.
 

chuckz

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In digital terms this is an "OR" circuit. If either input is high (on) the output is high (on).<br /><br />The turn signals will flash the lamps until you step on the brakes, then the lights stay on until you take your foot off the brake. The diodes are connected in parallel "pointing" towards the lamps.<br /><br />I first did this with my 1975 Toyota pickup before converters were available. I presently tow with my Hyundai Sonata and use the same circuit. I pass inspection every year. I thought about designing a more sophisticated circuit that allowed the turn signal to overide the brake signal but decided it wasn't necessary.
 

demsvmejm

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The diode system will not allow turn signals to flash while the brake lights are on. The round connector on your truck has the four standard trailer light circuits LT/Brake, RT/Brake, Tail/Park, and Ground. In addition it will have an electric brake circuit(you must add the controller and possibly the wiring) and an aux/rev/charge circuit(you can decide). Using your 6-4 adapter simply adapts the turn/brake, tail and ground circuits from the round configuration to the flat configuration. There is no other adapting to it. I suspect that your round 6 is an aftermarket add-on. Factory should be converted already. If not it must be a Ford thing.<br />When I wire in a round connector I always try to pigtail a flat connector too. You need a taillight convertor. You can use the first one pictured above by Bondo. If you want to keep the round 6, simply cut off the flat four connector and attach the wires to the round 6 connector. If you have enough wire you can run the convertor to the round connector and then also use the flat four you cut off to pigtail out. Regardless of what connector you want to use, <br /> YOU NEED A TAILLIGHT CONVERTOR.
 

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Hey guys, I have a question...<br /><br />Now I know I'm probably way off base here, and going pretty far out on a limb.... but....<br /><br />...ya think gdean7 might need a tail light converter?<br /><br /><br /> :D :D :D
 

chuckz

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The diode system will not allow turn signals to flash while the brake lights are on.
I believe I said that. I also said that my trailers pass NYS safety inspection every year. In NY the lights have to work. It doesn't say that the turn signals have to override the stop lights.<br /><br />If you want the turn signals to overide the stop lights, it can be done with one transistor per light. It just gets a bit more complicated for those without an electronics background.
 

gdean7

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I understand I need a converter. As I said in my original post on this topic is that I went to U-Haul to buy one, and it didn't work, it just shorted out my switch and fuse. That was my original question, is why would it short WITH the converter? Now, I don't need an answer to this post, but please cut me some slack, i'm a total novice at this and appreciate the help, but please leave the sarcasm alone.
 

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Did You find the Problem ???<br /><br />What was the Issue ??<br /><br />Was it the Brown wire that I pointed out in 1 of your Other threads ????<br /><br />Even Free Advise has it's Price.......<br /><br />We mean No Harm with the light Ribbing we've given you.........I'm Sorry.......
 

demsvmejm

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I apologize if you felt I was being sarcastic. I wish I lived closer as I'd gladly take care of the elctrical problem pro bono. <br />It sounds like what you need to do is some diagnosis. Start from one end and work down the line until you find the problem. If you have installed the taillight convertor according to the instructions, make sure all the functions coming out of the convertor work, BEFORE the convertor wires are connected to the round 6 connector. It would be easiest with a 12V test light. Since all the circuit is normally driving is a light bulb you should be ok.<br />Make sure the turn/brake wires light/flash the test light (TL from now on.) Make sure the tail light wire lights the TL. Best way to test all the functions is to use the ground for the convertor or the round 6. If you don't get the TL to light, check the ground. <br />If the convertor checks out, verify that you are connecting the convertor wires to the proper terminals in the round 6. Make sure you aren't reading the schematic backwards, as sometimes the picture is from the flap side, not from the wire side. After you verify and connect the round 6 to the convertor, test the functions at the round 6 flap side. And make sure to test all pins each time you test a function to make sure only one pin is responding, and that you don't have a short circuit. And every function, one at a time until you find your problem.<br />If these all check out ok, check your round 6 - flat 4 adapter. If it is wired properly, or not shorted, the exposed male pin is your ground. beside the ground is your taillight (normally brown wire), next is your LT/Brake (usually yellow) and finally is your RT/Brake (usually green). If this all works as intended, then the problem is in your trailer.<br />To test the trailer, I read in one post a good idea. I use my PowerProbe tester. However, since you probably don't have this $100 circuit tester, use a battery charger. just make sure not to short the clamps together. You'll know how to jumper them, I'm sure. Just connect the NEG clamp to the ground wire on the TRAILER connector, this will be the insulated female terminal. Next jumper the POS clamp to each of the male pins one at a time and verify the functions.<br />With your wiring problem burning up your brake light switch I suspect a shorted circuit. I'm surprised that the fuse isn't blowing first though. If following this long post doesn't get you fixed, post back with very specific results and we/I will try to help you from there.<br /><br />Good luck. Remember, if it has t*ts, tires or a prop you're gonna have trouble with it. :D
 

gdean7

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Re: Continuous Trailer Trouble...

Well, I got the trailer all wired up and the truck is also. Turns out the U-haul converter I bought(they sold me and said it would work) didn't work due to some sort of wiring problem inside of the converter. So I bought the first one pictured up a few posts, installed it, and hooked it up to my trailer. With a few adjustments of the wires, I got it all up and running. Thank you all for your help. You've all helped a lot, and i'm learning as well! Appreciate it all! Good luck to you all! and Happy Boating!
 
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