condensor testing

nwcove

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yes there is, but i cant remember the exact procedure. they are such a cheap item.....if they are suspect, id just replace them. ( google has some info)
 

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Are you referring to ignition condenser? Using a battery, apply 12 volts to them (with a digital voltmeter hooked in parallel.) Leaving the meter connected, disconnect the battery and see if the voltage hangs around for awhile after disconnection. If it does, it likely good. The condition of the points also reflect the condensers' effectiveness. If the points aren't pitting, its likely OK.

There are more tests but require dedicated meters....
 

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A quick and dirty check can also be done with an analog meter. A condenser is just an electrolytic capacitor. Set the meter to RX10K. Put one lead on the case and touch the wire with the other. The needle should jump up then fall back to 0. Reverse the leads and do it again. Each time you reverse the leads the needle should jump up and fall back to 0 if its good
 

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yes there is, but i cant remember the exact procedure. they are such a cheap item.....if they are suspect, id just replace them. ( google has some info)

no... they are not all cheap and depending on what condencer / capacitor you need they can run a hundred dollars each..when you need one and can't find it..... you'll be thinkin different....ground it out and check it with a meter..should get LO...meaning no leak
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Just buy a new one. It's cheaper in the long run.
 

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I use my Mercotronic tester, but most dont have one laying around the shop.

There are a few tests that need to be done. First is to determine the capacitance. A typical reading will be .15 to .30 microfarads. A reading of OL, or overload, would mean that it is shorted. A very low reading would mean that it is open. You never said which motor we are talking about so I cant guess on what your capacitance should be.

If your meter does not have capacitance, use the ohms function. Short it out by touching the lead to the case, then touch one lead to the case and one to the lead. Watch the meter as the condensor charges up. A reading of OL means that it is likely good, as it is not leaking or shorted. Reverse the leads and test again, same idea applies.
 

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Terry, If you are talking about the condenser connected to the points, there is a lot of mis-information in this thread. Those condensers are real cheap. If you have the slightest doubt the condenser is bad, or if everything else checks out, replace it.

You can test the condenser with an analog multimeter, after a fashion. Set it to an ohms test scale. Connect one lead to the case and one to the lead. You may see the needle jump and then go back to zero. Now immediately switch test leads and change meter to test for DC voltage. You may see a small voltage spike.

This test is pretty crude, but can give an indication.
 

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A LOT of misinformation, though it is all well meaning. A "condenser" in ignition system terms, is two strips of aluminum foil separated by a layer of wax paper. For compactness, the strips are rolled up and put in a metal can, one strip contacting the can, and the other strip contacting the wire. Technically, it is called a "paper" capacitor, paper referring to the insulation. Other types of insulation are used in different, more critical, applications. Paper capacitors are the most unreliable and least accurate of the bunch. It is not an "electrolytic" capacitor, which contains a chemical in the insulation. Typical capacitance in an ignition system is 0.15mfd to 0.4mfd, around 0.2mfd being most popular.

To test one properly, you need a capacitance tester. Since most of us do not have one, an ohmmeter will provide a crude test. An analog meter is by far the best kind to use. Digital---well sort of a guess-test.

To test, remove the condenser and lay it on the table top. Meter range setting is not critical, but something mid-range is ok. Now, hands-off!!! Touching the condenser or test leads will monkey up the test. Before making contact, the meter will read somewhere around infinity (very high resistance). Touch one lead to the case, and the other to the wire, and the meter needle should jump toward 0, and slowly return toward infinity. That jump and return is the condenser charging up to its capacity. In a perfect world, it would go all the way to infinity, but it won't because as I said, paper capacitors are not perfect. The difference between where it goes and infinity represents leakage across the paper barrier. The less leakage (close t oinfinity), the better. If it goes close to 0 and stays there, the two foil strips are shorted together and the condenser is junk. If it does not make the jump and slow return, the condenser is open (very rare). The rate of the slow return is an indication of capacity---fast return, small capacity, slow return, large capacity. You can compare with a known good one for comparison. Leakage robs the system of electrical power.

Once charged up, in a perfect world it would stay charged for awhile. Again, because of leakage it won't stay charged very long. Touch the wire to the case and it will instantly discharge completely, and the test can be repeated.

There ya go folks----capacitors 101.
 

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no... they are not all cheap and depending on what condencer / capacitor you need they can run a hundred dollars each..when you need one and can't find it..... you'll be thinkin different....ground it out and check it with a meter..should get LO...meaning no leak
FM

just curious FM.....(so i dont buy a motor that has $100 condensors) , but what years/models of omc's have these costly ones?....i just paid $10.82 for two, and thought it was robbery!! lol :p
 

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just curious FM.....(so i dont buy a motor that has $100 condensors) , but what years/models of omc's have these costly ones?....i just paid $10.82 for two, and thought it was robbery!! lol :p

sorry for delay nwcove.....

yeah most condensor's are cheap.....for lawn mower's , snowthrowers's, etc...
however..I have two 4.5 HP mercury OB's....
I was having a problem with one of them ....went from running fine to just plain not starting....
before examining the HV wires ....I immediately assumed the points and condensor / capacitor where bad....I contacted a few marine parts stores and was told that my condensor's where no longer avalable.....after looking into a couple more store's I located 2 mercury part number 336-4463.condensor / capacitor's and dropped everything and drove 70 miles to get them..thinking my problems were solved...got there ...parts man brought them out to verify the right part and said yep that's it....I said great !! yahoo...being that everyone said you can't find them anymore I said give me BOTH of them...hehe ..he said sure that will be $ 210.00 cash or charge...
My jaw hit the ground....
I would have had to charge them on credit card....though he was looking for cash...I was able to strike a deal at $ 70.00 each.....
The original post did not specify an OMC engine..otherwise I would have kept my trap shut....those lttle Merc engines that are 78' and 85' have very difficult parts to find...and expensive too....
In my earlier posts I transposed the OL with LO...sorry my bad...I was just recently going through the nightmare of tracking down electrical parts and when I read "DON"T cost much"..my jaw hit the ground again.....had to put my two cents in anyway....did not mean to dis anyone......hope his problem is solved soon...summer is coming to an end.....
OH YEAH......here's the best part ....IT WASN"T EVEN THE POINTS OR CAPACITOR........it was the bad HV wire going to the points..500 ohem's of resistance....now ...I feel dumb again....geesh...
 

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lol, i just assumed it was an omc as it is posted in the johnson/evinrude forum. but now that you mention merc, i do understand the big bucks parts and i feel your pain! just remember the old saying among boaters....." if you want to get there first, buy a merc.... if you want to get there and back....buy an omc! :p
 

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lol, i just assumed it was an omc as it is posted in the johnson/evinrude forum. but now that you mention merc, i do understand the big bucks parts and i feel your pain! just remember the old saying among boaters....." if you want to get there first, buy a merc.... if you want to get there and back....buy an omc! :p

yeah....buddy....

well I have lived to learn...

B = break
O =out
A = another
T = thousand.


all good though...I love these little pusher's.....no matter what it takes....I'll keep them going.....

fish on brother..!!

FM
 
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