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You guys are great when it comes to suggesting ways of handling life's big and little challenges. The feedback on my ponderings over my FIL's secretive approach to his illness were very helpful. So...here's another...


I'm about ready to pop a valve dealing with my kid's teachers. The little guy is in Grade 2 and has progressively experienced more and more problems coping. His teachers report that he "just sits there doing nothing" during work time. He won't answer them if they ask if he doesn't understand or if there is anything else wrong. He just mumbles "nothing" and hangs his head. When he does work he's taking a huge amount of time to complete simple worksheets for Math, English or French (the school is a 50/50 English French split. Subjects are taught in one language all morning, the other all afternoon). They keep him inside at recess while the other kids go out so he can complete work. Sometimes they send it home.

The kids have little courier pouches that come home with them every night with homework or notes from the teachers. The problem is we usually we don't hear about the issues until he's failed a test or missed an assignment deadline or something is so close to being due or tested there's no time to react. (yeah, I know...this is Grade 2?).

His French teacher called me at work yesterday in a huff becuase she has discovered a language workbook the kids are supposed to be updating every couple of days is almost blank. Essentially he's 20 assignments behind and she's freaked out becuase he has to do a test on all the material this coming Thursday. When I ask how is it a kid could get so far behind without her noticing she shrilly declares, "I check - but I have 20 other kids, you know." Uh huh. Way to keep on top of it. I need to suggest the simple idea of a quick flip though a couple of workbooks a day just to be sure every kid is at least writing something?

His English/Math teacher sends notes home indicating he's having trouble handling a particular concept in math, accompanied by the worst explanation of what he's supposed to be learning that my wife and I are left scratching our heads or heading to Google. Her writing is riddled with grammar and usage mistakes as well. When I send notes back asking for clarification or suggestions for helping him, she doesn't reply for days on end...or even acknowledges getting the note half the time. The last note I sent was ignored for three days then was actually removed from his workbook where I had taped it, still without acknowledgement.

Don't get me wrong - I come from a family full of teachers and I know how hectic the job in a big city public school can be and what kinds of prep workloads they face but the condescending attitudes, defensiveness, sloppiness, and spectacular inability to communicate have got me crazy.

I'm also perfectly willing to consider my boy has some kind of learning disability we need to address. But why am I the one asking the teachers what kind of resources they have at the school, suggesting meetings to come up with some kind of strategy, asking for recommendations on a tutor, etc?

It's like they have no clue how to handle this situation and are all about blaming my son (he's not showing "accountability" is a favourite. Or he's just one of "those" kids...). I don't know if it's an age issue or not. I'd peg both of them in their early 30s, perhaps without a lot of experience. Every call begins the same way with both of them - five minutes of defensive bs, lots of blame for my kid, and very few ideas. It's pathetic.

I'd yank him and return to private Montessori schooling where he was doing just fine two years ago except the $20K a year to keep him in that stream just isn't that easy to swing these days.

Thoughts? I'm about to drive over and give the principal an earful tomorrow morning but I'm afraid I'm not in the right frame of mind to deal with this effectively. I'd love to hear of similiar experiences and what strategies you may have devised to turn things around.
 

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Re: Communicating with my kid's school

Do you know anyone elses kids in the class and how are they doing.
I know your son has problems with the english to french coricullum, but that has to be a steep learning curve for an 7 year old (or a 44 year old :))
other issues, fellow students, "bullying", home issues?.
I know that some people, young included, work better with a practical application than theory, or visa versa, this relates to the math issue.
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WOW...... I no longer have children in school but I read this to my wife who is my personal sounding board with a degree in Psychology ;)

Have the child tested. Sounds like the school is not presenting enough of a challenge and the teacher's are not properly recognizing the problems.

How did your son do last year in the first grade?

I do understand that the Principal is responsible but I would follow that meeting up with another including the teacher's. I would lay the cards out on the table and announce that the goal is to leave with a sound plan in hand along with a timeline when it will be done.

I take that attitude so nothing becomes delayed or overlooked. I am sure that if the payroll department failed to pay a teacher they would want results and not have to wait three days or more.... as you have (patiently I might add)in the past.

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I would say your boy is fine! It sounds like a classic case of bad teaching! I mean what kind of teacher just looks to see if the kids are at least writing something isnt their job to make sure the kids are writing the right thing?:confused:...Any ways I grew up in big city public schools and know how it is. I would suggest you ask why these teachers arnt having more positive interaction with your child...In my opinion it sounds like your boy just lost intrest....what 2nd grader dosnt? and it seems they are the reason why, if they are blaming him talking to you they are prob doing it to him, thus unmotivating him and making him not want to do the work. They should be giving him some positive interaction to boost his intrest!

There is no such thing as a bad student only a bad teacher!! If they are blaming him they are bad teachers! Give them a peice of your mind, having 20 students is a crapy deffence, thats the avverage size of class all over the place and plenty of other teachers can do it! Its the teachers responsibility to keep their students on task, so why isnt this taecher getting pounded for letting the kid get so far behind?

I dont know how the school system is up there in Canada but if you can send him to another school I would! In the state I live in and in most states we can choose to send our child to another public school out of the district we live in, they just usally requrie us to take care of transportation. If you can do that, because if the teachers are acting like that the princible prob will to!

Good luck!
 

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This is from personal experience.
It's really tough for a kid to relate when he's both smarter than his teachers, and they don't seem to give a crap about him. It doesn't get addressed till it starts to look bad for them.

When I was in fifth grade, I was an idiot with no chance in one school, and led the class when I got transferred (after an adjustment period where I learned that accomplishment was rewarded.)

I'd bet you could home school him 3 hours a day and he would burn up the books filling in the blanks.

If that's not possible, you may have to take a big cut in life style to get him the school he needs to challenge him. You'll get paid back in the future, believe me.

good on ya
John
 

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Forget the teachers. Go to the Principal. and if that doesn't get some effective diagnostic work started go to the school board, or whatever local government controls the school.

There is obviously something very wrong that the teachers can't or won't address. I have no idea where "blame" lies, but that is not important. What is important is getting your child an effective education.
 

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Re: Communicating with my kid's school

You guys are great when it comes to suggesting ways of handling life's big and little challenges. The feedback on my ponderings over my FIL's secretive approach to his illness were very helpful. So...here's another...


I'm about ready to pop a valve dealing with my kid's teachers. The little guy is in Grade 2 and has progressively experienced more and more problems coping. His teachers report that he "just sits there doing nothing" during work time. He won't answer them if they ask if he doesn't understand or if there is anything else wrong. He just mumbles "nothing" and hangs his head. When he does work he's taking a huge amount of time to complete simple worksheets for Math, English or French (the school is a 50/50 English French split. Subjects are taught in one language all morning, the other all afternoon). They keep him inside at recess while the other kids go out so he can complete work. Sometimes they send it home.

The kids have little courier pouches that come home with them every night with homework or notes from the teachers. The problem is we usually we don't hear about the issues until he's failed a test or missed an assignment deadline or something is so close to being due or tested there's no time to react. (yeah, I know...this is Grade 2?).

His French teacher called me at work yesterday in a huff becuase she has discovered a language workbook the kids are supposed to be updating every couple of days is almost blank. Essentially he's 20 assignments behind and she's freaked out becuase he has to do a test on all the material this coming Thursday. When I ask how is it a kid could get so far behind without her noticing she shrilly declares, "I check - but I have 20 other kids, you know." Uh huh. Way to keep on top of it. I need to suggest the simple idea of a quick flip though a couple of workbooks a day just to be sure every kid is at least writing something?

His English/Math teacher sends notes home indicating he's having trouble handling a particular concept in math, accompanied by the worst explanation of what he's supposed to be learning that my wife and I are left scratching our heads or heading to Google. Her writing is riddled with grammar and usage mistakes as well. When I send notes back asking for clarification or suggestions for helping him, she doesn't reply for days on end...or even acknowledges getting the note half the time. The last note I sent was ignored for three days then was actually removed from his workbook where I had taped it, still without acknowledgement.

Don't get me wrong - I come from a family full of teachers and I know how hectic the job in a big city public school can be and what kinds of prep workloads they face but the condescending attitudes, defensiveness, sloppiness, and spectacular inability to communicate have got me crazy.

I'm also perfectly willing to consider my boy has some kind of learning disability we need to address. But why am I the one asking the teachers what kind of resources they have at the school, suggesting meetings to come up with some kind of strategy, asking for recommendations on a tutor, etc?

It's like they have no clue how to handle this situation and are all about blaming my son (he's not showing "accountability" is a favourite. Or he's just one of "those" kids...). I don't know if it's an age issue or not. I'd peg both of them in their early 30s, perhaps without a lot of experience. Every call begins the same way with both of them - five minutes of defensive bs, lots of blame for my kid, and very few ideas. It's pathetic.

I'd yank him and return to private Montessori schooling where he was doing just fine two years ago except the $20K a year to keep him in that stream just isn't that easy to swing these days.

Thoughts? I'm about to drive over and give the principal an earful tomorrow morning but I'm afraid I'm not in the right frame of mind to deal with this effectively. I'd love to hear of similiar experiences and what strategies you may have devised to turn things around.


1. Why is he not doing his work in class?
2. What kind of math in 2nd grade is he having such trouble with?
3. I believe you should sit in on his class one day, all day, and see if he's able to get his work done with you watching. If he can't maybe you'll be able to see why. Maybe it's a bad teacher, maybe not. You'll see if the other kids are able to get their work done, and how difficult it is to finish on time for them as well.
If he's able to get it done with you there, but not without you keeping an eye on him, then it could be that he's just choosing not to participate or do his part.
I know that everyone has a job and it's hard to get off, but there's really no other way for you to find out what the problem is without seeing what goes on in the classroom firsthand. You should be able to go to the school unannounced, check in with the office and get a visitor's badge, and go to your child's classroom. That way the teacher can't "get ready" for you. You could even go down to the room and take a peek in the door of the classroom for a while before going in. At least, you should be able to do that!------you can at my school. (I'm in the USA, but hopefully your rules are similar.)
Think about your teachers when you were a kid. Were they all bad? :redface:
Just some suggestions, I hope you get it all straightened out.
JBJ
 

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Re: Communicating with my kid's school

To start with have a down to earth and calm discussion with the principal. Listen at least as much as you speak and make an action plan between you. Take notes and follow up with an e-mail or formal letter to the principal to "confirm" what you discussed.
Make your next decision after the meeting is over.
Remember no matter how mad you may feel inside do not show it. It will be used against you from there on.
Good Luck and I look forward to reading about how things are going.
 

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We've had similar problems. The sad story is that teachers just don't have the time or desire to have that one on one approach to teaching anymore. Its all about the overall schools "score". Don't be surprised that when you request your child to be tested for learning disorders that they will say they don't do that until they are in at least 3rd grade. That's the story we got.

When he was in K-2nd grades we'd get little notes that said, "needs more help from home" in categories such as paying attention in class, talking, behavior etc. I finally went to the teachers and explained....."No he doesn't need more help at home with these things because he doesn't have a problem at home. He has a problem at school because you do not have control of your class." All of them where young teachers and really just were trying to keep themselves afloat with other kids in the class that truly bad apples. Our child's problem was he wasn't an angel, but he wasn't bad enough to warrant special attention.

He finally got a teacher who had been teaching for 30 years, who had control over the class, and knew how to handle little boys. He did extremely well.

Long story short is don't look for the schools to look out for your child's best interest. Its just not going to happen. You have to become the squeeky wheel with his teacher, the principle, and if need be the school board and superintendent of the school system.
 
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In our school system the teachers are trained to observe which students should be tested for "special needs" Once a child is determined that he does indeed have "special needs" he is put into a LD (learning disability program) and THEN the teacher will not treat the student like the others. If not checking the book bags every day is standard practice for the other students the teacher will treat this child like all of the others untill the special needs are detailed and a plan put into place. Some teachers have helpers when dealing with special needs kids so one child will not take up extra time and deprive the others of their fair share of the teachers time. Schools sometimes wait before going through all of this process when the kids are very young hoping they will adjust. Evidently this child isnt doing it and needs help. Dont fault the teacher for treating a special child in a non special way.
 

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I cannot speak for the teachers, however, it would be a very poor school if he is having problems across the board and it is the teachers fault.. I have four kids and so far have not mastered the formula because they are all different. But here are a couple of things you could do..

1) Ensure he gets evaluated for any learning disorders. Now is the time to get in front of it. If your school won't do it speak to his pediatrician. You can also take him to places like Sylvan learing centers or Kumon and they can evaluate where he is at and work with him to get him on track.

2) have a conversation with his pediatrician regarding ADD. Not to be confused with ADHD. My son was diagnosed with ADD which impacted his ability to focus and stay focused. He does not have any hyperactivity. When he takes his medications you can tell he is on it as he able to buckle down and get his stuff done. He is currently in 10th grade and has been taking it since 5th. He knows how to work with it as it wears off later in the day and he knows he needs to get his stuff done before it wears off.

3) My kids in the elementary and middle school ages have planners. These are books that the teachers use to communicate any homework or in class assignments they have for the day. The parents are required to sign it once a week. We use this every day to ensure they have completed what they need to complete and it give us a window to the work they are doing. You may suggest this personally for your child or even as a change for the school to facilitate greater parent engagment and awareness.

These are my thoughts FWIW..
 

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The one thing that I haven't seen here, is in regard to talking to him. I would ask him how he feels he is doing in school and ask if he is having problems with any specific areas. You can also ask if there is a reason why he doesn't participate in lessons, or answer the teacher's questions. In doing all of this, the approach needs to be very low key and supportive. He is still very young, so the rebellious "leave me alone stuff" that will come later if this isn't dealt with now, probably won't be an issue.

Also, if he was doing well at another school, you might explore the possibility of moving him out of your local public school. Twenty grand a year for a 7 year old (or any age for that matter) is pretty steep, but there may be other alternatives. If you have Charter Schools in your area, they can sometimes be very good. I think the "Sylvan type learning centers" might be of help too.



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Make the principal aware of the situation. See what the school can do to help the boy. Weigh the options. As stated " low key and supportive"
 

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It really makes NO difference on whose fault it is......... The goal is to get it fixed NOW!!
 

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In our school system the teachers are trained to observe which students should be tested for "special needs" Once a child is determined that he does indeed have "special needs" he is put into a LD (learning disability program) and THEN the teacher will not treat the student like the others. If not checking the book bags every day is standard practice for the other students the teacher will treat this child like all of the others untill the special needs are detailed and a plan put into place. Some teachers have helpers when dealing with special needs kids so one child will not take up extra time and deprive the others of their fair share of the teachers time. Schools sometimes wait before going through all of this process when the kids are very young hoping they will adjust. Evidently this child isnt doing it and needs help. Dont fault the teacher for treating a special child in a non special way.

The fairlane dude has hit it on the head. There is something wrong and "deciding" yourself what it is is the worst thing you can do. Get professionals to diagnose why these behaviors are happening instead of the planned/desired behaviors and get your son into a learning environment that works for him.
 

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There are about 9000 different kinds of kids in this world, and there is about 1 kind of kid the school is really prepared to deal with on their own.

As the parent of a "special needs" kid who has navigated their way thru the educational system, expecting the school or the teachers to have all the answers is foolhardy at best.

There is no simple answer, but you need to become very involved in your child's progress, and not accept any surprises. If you encounter surprises, it is the parents not doing their job as much as the teachers.

Each circumstance will require different solutions and it will have to be guided by common sense. There are no manuals, either for the teacher of the parent, to any of this.

Good luck. It can be fun, however.
 

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Sorry, I'm going to be a bit harsh here...lots of teacher bashing going on...

What I didn't read is what is "your" opinion. Are you doing homework with him? What is it you observe?

I read a lot of blame on your part, but I didn't read anything on your opinion other than the deficiencies of the teacher.

You come from a family of teachers, you should have some feedback on observations at home. I fully acknowledge that kids are different at school than at home, but nothing is completely one sided.

Clearly something has to addressed asap. A talk with the principal with the goal of conversation being exploring solutions to your child's learning. Forget about the *** for tat stuff, the focus is 'what is it that is blocking your childs learning'....find it and fix it. Every principal will share that goal.
 

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Boy , tough one there. I have a 1st grader and just read this to her, and these are her thoughts. Yes , I am dictating for a 7yr old!!!



Check in the classroom personally

At home do some easy math problems - does he participate there?

Have him tested for special needs.

Better communication between the kid, and the teacher and the parent. ( I wonder how he feels?)

Maybe talk to the teachers in person to see if he is not participating in certain things?

Hope this helps,

Little M
 

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I would say your boy is fine! It sounds like a classic case of bad teaching! I mean what kind of teacher just looks to see if the kids are at least writing something isnt their job to make sure the kids are writing the right thing?:confused:...Any ways I grew up in big city public schools and know how it is. I would suggest you ask why these teachers arnt having more positive interaction with your child...In my opinion it sounds like your boy just lost intrest....what 2nd grader dosnt? and it seems they are the reason why, if they are blaming him talking to you they are prob doing it to him, thus unmotivating him and making him not want to do the work. They should be giving him some positive interaction to boost his intrest!

There is no such thing as a bad student only a bad teacher!! If they are blaming him they are bad teachers! Give them a peice of your mind, having 20 students is a crapy deffence, thats the avverage size of class all over the place and plenty of other teachers can do it! Its the teachers responsibility to keep their students on task, so why isnt this taecher getting pounded for letting the kid get so far behind?

I dont know how the school system is up there in Canada but if you can send him to another school I would! In the state I live in and in most states we can choose to send our child to another public school out of the district we live in, they just usally requrie us to take care of transportation. If you can do that, because if the teachers are acting like that the princible prob will to!

Good luck!

"There is no such thing as a bad student only a bad teacher!!", wow, did you really write that? I'm not sure if I've ever disagreed with a statement more!

I don't usually get personal, but...

EDIT: Good. don't get personal here, either.
 
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Sorry folks. Too much bashing and blaming going on here.

End of discussion.
 
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