Coil issue-Boat shutting down

BlackMaxBaja

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First off. Hello to everyone and thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.

I recently took my 1994 21' Baja boat into a shop to get my 502 removed and re-installed after a fresh rebuild. I believe the electronics are likely a Thunderbolt V ignition system. The boat was running fine before it went into the shop and when they re-installed the newly rebuilt engine they could not get it to fire up. After they worked on it for a few days with little success I decided to take a stab at getting it running myself. Here is what I found...
1. The shop had a black wire that they had left hanging loose. It seems to me that when I hooked it up to the neg. side of coil the engine would not fire. This may be from the old carb that had an electric choke?? My new carb has a manual choke. Regardless I'm thinking it should be grounded??
2.The coil with the key in the on position measured around 6 volts. If I take the purple wire off the coil the wire measures 12 volts.
3. I ran a jumper to the + side of the coil from the + battery and the boat fired right up.
4. If I try to remove the purple wire from the coil the engine will not fire.
5. Because there was low voltage at the coil I checked the voltage at the ignition switch. It was 12 volts. I cleaned up the connections and the voltage at the coil improved slightly.
6. As I was checking the ignition switch and wiring I burnt my finger on the 16 guage purple wire (that runs to the coil). It literally gave me a blister. Is it normal for the wire to be this hot? Is it possible that the coil is shorting out??
7. I thought problem solved the purple wire is shorting out. I ran a new larger 14 gauge wire to the coil and from the coil to the alternator. The new wire does not get hot and the boat now runs but...
8. After about an hour or so of running the boat instantly dies. When i pour water over the coil to cool it down it fires right back up.
9. After researching a bit more it turns out that maybe I am not supposed to be running a full 12 volts to the coil after it fires up. This may be causing the overheating problem.
10. It turns out that the purple wire may be a "resister" wire meant to lower the voltage on the coil when running??
11. The strange thing is even though the purple wire is disconnected from the alternator and ignition switch it still needs to be hooked up to the coil for the boat to run. Does this make sense??
12. I have also learned that some coils have a wire to the starter to maintain 12 volts during engine turn over. Mine does not. Is it getting the power from the starter via the orange wire thru the alternator??
13. I was looking to upgrade the coil and purchased an MSD Blaster 2 but i read somewhere that the accel matches the resistance better to the stock coil. Can anyone comment on that? The MSD does come with an external ballast resister.

Sorry for being so long winded just trying to be thorough :)
 

slothman

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

sounds like the coil is overheating itself, and is bad. you can test the coil resistance with a ohm reader. positive and neg from the coil should read around .04-.08 ohms. then measure the neg side and the top "tower" of the coil. it should read around 10,000-12,000 ohms. Also if the coil looks oily, it's leaking, and needs to be replaced. also check the outside for cracks. DO NOT buy a msd coil. you cannot use car coils. you need a marine coil replacement. You can buy one new from this website for about 30-$40 ...
 

alldodge

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

As slothman says it sounds like you need a new coil and maybe a new resistor wire. The purple resistor wire drops the voltage down while runnin. As you suspected the coil gets hot because it's not designed to take 12V constant. A new coil will also need to be the type which require an external resistor using your current ignition system. What is the serial number of your engine
 

BlackMaxBaja

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

As slothman says it sounds like you need a new coil and maybe a new resistor wire. The purple resistor wire drops the voltage down while runnin. As you suspected the coil gets hot because it's not designed to take 12V constant. A new coil will also need to be the type which require an external resistor using your current ignition system. What is the serial number of your engine

Thanks AllDodge. The boat originally had a 1994 502 mercruiser in it. Before I purchased it the last owner replaced it with a carbed 7.4. I purchased a 2004 Indmar 502 and had it rebuilt and placed into this boat. The 502 was a long block only so everything came off of the 7.4 mercruiser including the harness.
 

alldodge

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

Hey go figure, I have a 95 which came with a 7.4 and I swapped it for an EFI 502, and previous owner went the other way (why who knows). The 502 is a beast and for the most part bullit prof if taken care of, but I digress. Here is a link to service manual No 16 which is downloadable. Page 63 and 64 have the TBI troubleshooting charts

http://www.maxumownersclub.com/forum/site_files/manuals/mercruiser/16.pdf
 

achris

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

1994 would suggest a Thunderbolt-IV system, not V. Post the engine serial number and we can check....

Chris.....
 

BlackMaxBaja

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

1994 would suggest a Thunderbolt-IV system, not V. Post the engine serial number and we can check....

Chris.....

Thanks Chris. From the manual it just looks like a V is all. The engine in it is not the original engine.
 

BlackMaxBaja

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Re: Coil issue-Boat shutting down

So here is the latest. I disconnected my new wiring as I suspected it was delivering a constant 12 volts causing the coil to overheat. I hooked up the original wire from the ignition to the coil and alternator. The wire now has 12 volts at the coil, doesn't get hot and the boat fires right up??. I have ordered a new coil to keep on hand in case I still have an issue on the lake because I don't know for sure if the problem has been solved. The only thing that has changed was that the purple wire going to the alternator has a bullet connector and i switched to a butt connector. i still think that maybe the coil is internally shorting out to heat the purple wire?? On another note as stupid as it sounds the neg side of the coil's two Grey wires were loose. This obviously could have caused the boat to stop running. We shall see.
 
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