Charge Coil Resistance Test- FIXED!

Darren418

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Perhaps I could get some expert advice here. I am troubleshootng a rough idle on my 1988 48 SPL. Already rebuilt the carbs & fuel pump, installed new plugs (QL77JC4 @ .040"), did link & synch, decarbed thoroghly with Seafoam, replaced the fuel hose/bulb, and checked for fuel leaks. All the above checks out OK. Out of ideas, I thought I'd do whatever checks I could with my Ohm-meter since I don't have a DVA meter. Everything looked pretty good and within specs except for the charge coil test. The book says I should get 575 ohms +/- 25. I get 546 ohms. Is this ok and do charge coils usually start going bad by having LESS resistance?

Another thread suggested a FAQ on basic ignition system troubleshooting using a basic ohm meter. Good idea!

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Those tolerances seem pretty tight, but Im sure are correct. I know on mine I need a resistance of 270 ohms + - 50 ohms at room temperature. This affects the test, how hot out was it?? Room temp is considered to be 70 deg F. With charge coil lead disconnected from Power pack, connect ohmmeter (high ohms scale) between either charge coil lead and ground on starboard side. Infinity reading indicates good charge coil. Any or zero reading indicates leads or charge coil is shorted to ground. Perform same tests on port side charge coil leads. Check for frayed or broken leads. Charge coils are part of the stator and cannot be serviced seperately. Stator must be replaced if charge coils fail these tests.
 

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Thanks for the help. Yes, it was HOT today here in Texas, 101 in the shade at the time I did the test. So maybe that's what it is. I'll restest in the morning after it's cooled down all night. It's already down to 79 and should hit 70 as the overnight low. Perfect.

As for the stator/coil, I'm reasonably sure they are separate parts. The parts diagram lists the stator as OMC part no. 0582926 and the charge coil part no. 0581670. The manual had separate tests for the stator and the charge coil. The stator was supposed to check out as 0.27 ohms +/- 0.05 ohms and it checked out perfect.

Assuming that all checks out good, could it be the power pack causing my rough idle? I'll add that spraying premix into the carbs doesn't do anything unless I keep spraying a lot then it starts to kill the engine. That's what got me thinking it might be ignition, particularly something that would cause a weak spark at idle.
 

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Here's the update after the retest at 70 degrees this morning. 541 ohms. So it actually went down just a little. The manual calls for a minimum of 550. So again, my original question: is this out of spec enough to warrant replacement? And, could a charge coil just barely out of spec possibly be causing the erratic idle? I'd sure like to hear from someone knowledgeable on this before I go pulling the flywheel for possibly no reason. Thanks.
 

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Yes faulty isolation diodes in the power pack would definately cause a rough running engine.You will need to check your manual for your test, the test I have is for an older engine. Look under your "ignition system" section of your manual. It will tell you how to test the diodes in the power pack, and if that test fails , you need to replace your power pack. I assume though you started at the beginning with a basic spark and compression test though right, you didnt mention??
 

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I'm not a motor expert, but I do have some expertise in electronics so here's a little disortation on the resistance test that may help you decide what to do.

The charge coils are basically a lengthy piece of continuous varnish coated copper wire wrapped around an iron core. A resistance check will only provide the straight DC resistance which is determined solely by the wire material, diameter and length - and temperature, somewhat. The properties that actually determines the output of the coil are the inductance and speed at which the flywheel magnet passes by the core. A resistance check cannot give you that. But, inductance is directly related to the number of turns of wire that are wrapped around the core - more turns, more inductance. Consequently, the resistance can give you a reasonable test of the coil's status.

All that said, you asked, "do charge coils usually start going bad by having LESS resistance?" In a nutshell, yes. What typically happens to a charge coil (if it doesn't just open up - max resistance) is that a few turns get shorted to each other through the varnish coating. This has the effect of removing some turns. Fewer turns means less inductance which means a lower output. Lastly, temperature can play another role besides changing the resistance a little. When the coil heats up or cools down, there is expansion and contraction which can cause turns to short only when hot or only when cold. Even a DVA test can miss this problem.

So, when a charge coil measures questionably against known good specs with a known good meter, you may as well change it. The important parts of that statement is known good specs with a known good meter.

As for the power pack possibly causing this problem - certainly a possibility. But both the power pack and charge coil can affect each other's performance. The power pack is the "load" for the charge coil and the charge coil is the power source for the power pack. What gets confusing and frustrating is when you change one and the problem goes away only to return later. That's frequently because a good strong power pack might be able to handle a weak out put from the charge coil, but the charge coil may keep deteriorating - and visa versa.

But then there is the matter of cost vs. likelyhood of failure vs. difficulty in replacing. The power pack for your motor costs a bunch more than the charge coil, but with solid state components, is much more likely to fail and much easier to replace.

Now you decide whether or not to pull the flywheel.
 

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Yes, I forgot to mention I already tested the basics. Compression is 150 psi on both cylinders and the spark will jump a 1/2" gap when cranking. The reason I tested everything else besides the power pack first is that I don't have the proper equipment, namely a DVA voltmeter. There aren't any resistance tests in the manual for the power pack just the DVA test. I'm wondering if I can remove the power pack and have it tested at an OMC dealer? My Seloc manual (I also have the factory service manual which is better on most things but it's nice to have both...the Seloc sections on "Theory of Operation" are real good) says several times that before buying a new power pack take the old one down to the OMC dealer for testing. "Any" OMC dealer can "quickly" confirm if it's good or not, according to Seloc. Sounds like days bygone 1970's-level service to me...don't think any of the OMC dealers I know would do something like that on the spot as the manual says but I guess I've never tried. It sounds like the power pack might be the culprit after all since now I've either tested or rebuilt just about every other component on the engine.
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it!

Oh and, my rough idle exhibits classic carb symptoms: rough idle but smooth as silk over about 2000 rpm's. I rebuilt the carbs extra thoroughly, including the overnight soak in carb cleaner, compressed air, etc.. I got it back on the lake expecting my "idle air circuit problem" to be cleared up but much to my surprise there was absolutely no change. That's when I started thinking ignition components.
 

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Wow, thanks Molaker for your disertation! That was very helpful especially understanding how coils CAN fail showing less resistance. I might just have a weak charge coil after all. Another think your post jogged in my mind is that the motor idles smoother when cold and then gets progressively worse as the day wears on. Then next time out, idles pretty good at first then same thing. If I let it sit for an hour or so, it idles better too, for a few minutes anyway. Sounds like it could be the exact scenario you describe: heat shorting some windings (or possible screwing with the delicate electronics in the power pack too).

I think I'll go ahead and pull the flywheel and replace everything electrical. Charge coil, sensor, and stator will only set me back about $100, not much more than one hour of shop time if I took it in. Thankfully, a new power pack for my motor is only $83 at ishopmarine, so if replacing everything under the flywheel doesn't do it, I'll go ahead and do the power pack and then I'm still out only $200 and will have basically a new ignition system, $250 if I replace the spark plug coils and leads. So, well, yes, I'm now thinking now I'll go ahead and pull that flywheel.
 

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There is a ohmmeter test to test the diodes in the power pack. Is it possible to supply a pic of your pp, i dont know the configurations of your PP.
 

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The power pack is part no. 21 in the diagram. (OMC part no. 0582285 [replaces 0586800]).

 

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Another update. Went out to the lake today with all my tools and multimeter. The plan was to test everything once the engine was good and hot and running rough. Well, it started right up and ran smooth at first as usual then progressively got so rough in a few minutes it died and wouldn't restart, thankfully in the first 15 minutes while I was still real close to the ramp and could easily make it back under electrical power. Right after it quit and couldn't get it started (no sputtering like no spark at all) I pulled the cowl off and did all the resistance tests. Everything checked out fine, including the charge coil resistance which was 567 ohms, right within spec. I am now thinking more and more it's a power pack. It started going on me and giving me rough idle, but has now deteriorated to the point the motor won't run for more than 15 minutes. I'm going to pull the power pack and see if I can get it tested by a local OMC dealer. After I figure this out for sure, I'll let you know what it turned out to be. Thanks again for all the help.
 

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Put in the new powerpack today and ran around the lake. Starts right up and runs butter smooth all day long over 1500 rpm. Still has the rough idle but not so bad that it affects the actual operation, just annoying to a perfectionist like me. Thanks for all the help from the great folks on this forum! After I enjoy for awhile having my boat back, I'll dive back into the rough idle. But for now, I am definitely a happy camper.
 
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