Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

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Rebuilt many 4 stroke engines in my 60 years including a couple of 2 stroke chain saws. But this newly acquired 60 I bought for 200 bucks after seeing the number one spark plug had aluminum deposits, seems to not going to be easy to r and r a piston maybe. Any guidelines or detailed literature available for this procedure? Wish I would have looked closer before making my offer to buy bc it seems I will have to remove the entire power head Assam to get a piston and rod out. Any help is appreciated.
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Yep got to pull and split itmdont order parts till you see what your in for or need
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Will I need any special tools? Maybe the flywheel requires one??
 
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You can semi check the pistons through the exhaust port by removing the exhaust plate and baffle. This will allow you to turn the engine and inspect a portion of the pistons. Any water intrusion will be seen from there. The piston that usually takes the hit is number three (BOTTOM PISTON). Corrosion from water intrusion will in time cause the piston to decintegrate and particals from the piston will be ground up and obviously be on the plugs and will enter the case and settle at the bottom end cap. Becuase the cylinder walls are steel there may be a chance the cylinder is re workable with honing , Boring and a new piston, wrist pin, needle bearings, etc etc. <Tear down> Getting the nuts off the studs holding the power head on may be a dificult task esspecailly if the nuts are corroded and rounded. The method i use to remove these would be to take a smal wood chisel and make an indent just off center of the nut (Left side) deep enough to grab the meat of the nut so that when you strike it with a hammer it will not take the meat off the nut but in fact move the nut (Counter clockwise) in the direction to take it off. This process must be continued on every flat of the nut all the way around the nut until the nut is removable. Plenty of soaking with PB Blaster is reccomended. Get new stainless steel nuts if a re assemble is eminent with SS washers. After removing all the nuts knock the roll pin out of the shifter lever and remove it. (LU Removal suggested and then the shift shaft from the lever). The carbs, airbox, starter, etc etc must be taken off as well as all the electrical. Take pictures of all angles to assist you in re installing if eminant after inspection and the rebuild. Many blots such as the exhaust cover, rear jacket cover may be corroded and again soaking is reccomended. When I did my 2 engines I found that the most effective way was to get the bolt to slightly move in the counter clockwise direction then turn back in the clockwise direction just a bit at a time to start to free the bolt and repeat this process constantly no mater how long and irritating it becomes. Many breaks may be needed as this is a time consuming process and a whole lot of patience is required to have success. If you do this the rate of success I had was 98 %. I guess you cant win them all all the time. After removing the PWR HD, Remove the covers for inspection for corrosion cracks etc. Un do the endcaps and unbolt the intake case. Do a visual of the componants before disasembling it to determine the amount of play. First from the rods and the center bearings the outter bearings can be checked after the crank is removed and then check for a wiped journal. After removing the crank check the side to side play of the connecting rods to determin if the wrist pins, and rods are in good condition or need attention. At that point remove the pistons and check the cylinder walls for scoring or pitting. That should also give indication of the piston condition. Mic the cylinder to see if it needs boring to an oversize etc etc. if all looks good then a good cleaning of the block and possible resurfacing of the side and the rear may have to be undertaken to get the covers to seal properly. Check the area around the plugs for corrosion as this is the main spot that gets hit the worst. I had mine heli arch welded and then flled it down and it seems fine. I,m still finnishing mine up and everything looks good eccept for a slight intermintent miss when idleing and increasing throttle but nothing serious may be plug or wire related if not just leftover cabon on one of the pistons fouling a plug. I didn,t clean one very well. Sea foam to the rescue. Good luck
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Well the previous owner said the motor had not been run in 10 years and the reason he quit using it was because the 60 was too small for the boat he had it on. I know from my days racing in several blown and injected alcohol funny cars in NHRA, that the load on the engine would play a big part in fuel to air mixture......and the dreaded LEAN burn condition could and would result in sending burnt offerings over to the aluminum gods. :-( Perhaps a struggling 60 HP outboard pushing a boat that's more than it could handle may have also ran out of gas in the tank causing it to lean out on its last voyage. I honestly believe the motor was stored for 10 years without knowledge of the top cylinder having its surface gap spark plug end covered 50% with aluminum. I did a leak down test on all 3 cyl and num 2 & 3 were leaking only 2% and number 1 had 30% ...this was done cold. Was gona run the motor first but thought it may do more harm.
Before I tear it down....I would like to know if there could be any other reason for the silver fuzzy stuff covering across half of the surface gap plug.
Maybe just put another plug in and see how it runs??????
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Ive got a set of mercury 3 cyl ring compressors I wont be using any more. $50 if you want them.
 
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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Well the previous owner said the motor had not been run in 10 years and the reason he quit using it was because the 60 was too small for the boat he had it on. I know from my days racing in several blown and injected alcohol funny cars in NHRA, that the load on the engine would play a big part in fuel to air mixture......and the dreaded LEAN burn condition could and would result in sending burnt offerings over to the aluminum gods. :-( Perhaps a struggling 60 HP outboard pushing a boat that's more than it could handle may have also ran out of gas in the tank causing it to lean out on its last voyage. I honestly believe the motor was stored for 10 years without knowledge of the top cylinder having its surface gap spark plug end covered 50% with aluminum. I did a leak down test on all 3 cyl and num 2 & 3 were leaking only 2% and number 1 had 30% ...this was done cold. Was gona run the motor first but thought it may do more harm.
Before I tear it down....I would like to know if there could be any other reason for the silver fuzzy stuff covering across half of the surface gap plug.
Maybe just put another plug in and see how it runs??????

You could pull the plugs and turn the engine so the plug holes are facing down and keep srpaying fuel mixture into the holes and let the aluminum drain out the plug holes. Dont turn the motor flywheel until a good soaking of the cylinders has been done. Then rotate the flywheel to get any remaining particals to the top of the cylinder for each. Then spray more mixture, and then back the piston off some and hit the piston from the center outwards hoping to get all or most of the aluminum from the ring area. If would be the best thing to do if your going to try runing this thing for testing. Although the cylinder walls are steel the pistons are aluminum and contact made by any particals will more than likely score the piston skirts. At this point something is more than likely already scored. Thats why I would undo the exhaust cover and inspect the pistons first and reassemble with RTV Grey just to test afterwards and see how things go. If all is ok then buy the new gasket for the cover and reseal it. I would take a magnet and check that the filings are non furous indicating aluminum. Ther may be the slightest chance the last owner grabed a plug off his workbench that had picked up the filings and he didn,t check it when inserting it but thats a bit far fetched. Being that it,s just the top cylinder makes me wonder though. Usually when there is water intrusion it effects the lowest cylinder #3 if the engine over heats as a result of a lack of water in the rear cover to cool the cylinder heads the middle cylinder usually takes the hit #2. Just makes me suspicious that something eles may be the reason for #1 to be failing. Just my opinion.
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

I would like to know if there could be any other reason for the silver fuzzy stuff covering across half of the surface gap plug.
This fuzzy stuff is aluminum throw off from the deflector of the piston. This can be caused by pre-ignition in that cylinder due to: weak impeller, lugging engine,incorrect spark plug or timing setting, ignition component failure,or carb restriction. Dont run it as you can cause more cylinder damage.......
Some racers that raced Inline6 motors(me also) would rejet and keep advancing timing each test run till you saw bubbles in aluminum deflector and then go 1/2 turn back in and timing screw...
 

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Re: Changing rings and piston on a 1990 Mariner 60 with no head

Pull the exhaust side covers and inspect the piston and the cyl. Then you know what you have. Hopefully the cyl isn't gouged much and the alum has just trapped the rings in there grooves and plated the cyl wall. A complete disassembly, cleaning the alum off the cyl wall with acid, a light hone, new piston, rings, and be back in service.

Until you open and look we are all just guessing and hoping for the best.
 
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