California coastal harbors STINK and many are government run!

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I have done some serious on-line research lately and I now I gather most if not all operate on a first-come-first-serve basis which means there is never a guarantee of a transient berth after a long day of boating far from home.

To make coastal boating practical, it seems, you need a large commodious cabin cruiser or yacht that can be lived aboard for days without ever touching a port. I can't just jump in my runabout and head down the west coast and easily park somewhere for reserved lodging on dry land at night in many cases.

This means that if I am traveling all day long in a 21-foot cuddy, I could be stuck on board with no hot shower, breathing space, hotel or luxuries of land.

There is a "boating inn" (The Golden Hinde Boatel) in Tomales Bay, CA (about 50 miles north of San Francisco, an inlet of the Pacific) that accepts reservations for a waterside room and has docking for boating customers. There sadly does not seem to be any dry-land lodging facilities with boat tie-ups in the Monterey Bay vicinity that I was dreaming of someday boating into. I think harbors and marinas should be privatized for much better service. I will probably set my sights on Tamales Bay or keep my day boating close to home.

The boating world needs more "boating inn" accommodations for coastal water travelers.

At least when I travel by automobile or camp, I have no trouble booking over the telephone or Internet to secure overnight lodging or a campsite in advance far from home.

It sounds like long-haul boaters risk a lot of nasty surprises and the ocean is unfriendly.
 

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Millions of people travel the country by car. Therefore there are gas stations and inns, hotels, and motels of all price ranges everywhere.

The number of people who long-range cruise up and down the coast on private powerboats is probably in the hundreds at most; and these are going to be boats that can make it from San Diego to San Francisco on a single (really big) "tankful."

Who's gonna put a fuel dock and "boatel" every 20 to 50 miles up and down the California coast?

Besides which, most of the monster yachts I see in San Diego Bay--the ones who could make that whole-California-coast trip--rarely leave the Bay anyway; their owners are apparently so damned busy making money they don't have time to boat.
 
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Millions of people travel the country by car. Therefore there are gas stations and inns, hotels, and motels of all price ranges everywhere.

The number of people who long-range cruise up and down the coast on private powerboats is probably in the hundreds at most; and these are going to be boats that can make it from San Diego to San Francisco on a single (really big) "tankful."

Who's gonna put a fuel dock and "boatel" every 20 to 50 miles up and down the California coast?

Besides which, most of the monster yachts I see in San Diego Bay--the ones who could make that whole-California-coast trip--rarely leave the Bay anyway; their owners are apparently so damned busy making money they don't have time to boat.


Very well, Mr. Ajgraz, the type of coastal runabout boating I fancy does not seem convenient or practical to me at this point. There seems to be not much consumer demand for this type of boating except for Tomales Bay. I could conceivably cruise from Sacramento at the Elkhorn boat ramp on the river at first light on a summer morning and pull in to Tomales Bay before evening sunset the same day in my 21-23-foot future runabout. There are thankfully sufficient fuel docks in between on this 150-mile trip one way. The Tomales Bay Boatel (The Golden Hinde at Inverness, California) will take reservations and even accommodate my dogs but the room is about $150 a night.
 

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It sounds like long-haul boaters risk a lot of nasty surprises and the ocean is unfriendly.

The long-haul boater as you call them, that are out on the ocean traveling from one place to another, usually just live on the boat. A 21' boat is not an coastal cruiser. You might take it out to fish for the day, but a long-hull cruiser it is not.

People with trailer boats, trailer them to where they want to go. Then put them in at a nearby harbor and go out on the ocean for the day if weather permits. Dead calm days for small boats are not that common on the coast.
 

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so now that you have done your "serious on-line research" you are the seasoned coastal cruiser. And you have studied the business models, run costs/sales analysis, know the cost of waterfront property, marina revenues and the cap rates, and know there's a market for the 21' destination cruiser. It will just make you madder if you see that they don't allow dogs, either.

repeat to yourself the most accurate statement you have made in the past several threads: "Very well, Mr. Ajgraz, the type of coastal runabout boating I fancy does not seem convenient or practical to me at this point."

I do happen to know that cruisers can reserve berths in advance; it is not "first come first serve" but I am sure there is a payment required--as well as a possibility that they will arrive.
 
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Certainly, if I were to fish for King salmon in my 21-footer for the day, I most certainly would trailer her to a boat ramp right on the coast or nearby inlet: this would not be an overnight deal UNLESS I reserved lodging at the Tomales Bay Boatel on inland sheltered water in the town of Inverness, Northern California in advance and pay the high lodging cost there. They will also accept my hounds for an additional premium. Plenty of calm beaches, including wonderful dog-off-leash-friendly Dillon Beach north of Tomales bay, inside that bay too to easily land and stretch out upon.... here take a look-see...

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh579/roysummers85/sausalitotoinvernesschart.jpg
 

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Re: California coastal harbors STINK and many are government run!

I have done some serious on-line research lately and I now I gather most if not all operate on a first-come-first-serve basis which means there is never a guarantee of a transient berth after a long day of boating far from home.

To make coastal boating practical, it seems, you need a large commodious cabin cruiser or yacht that can be lived aboard for days without ever touching a port. I can't just jump in my runabout and head down the west coast and easily park somewhere for reserved lodging on dry land at night in many cases.

This means that if I am traveling all day long in a 21-foot cuddy, I could be stuck on board with no hot shower, breathing space, hotel or luxuries of land.

There is a "boating inn" (The Golden Hinde Boatel) in Tomales Bay, CA (about 50 miles north of San Francisco, an inlet of the Pacific) that accepts reservations for a waterside room and has docking for boating customers. There sadly does not seem to be any dry-land lodging facilities with boat tie-ups in the Monterey Bay vicinity that I was dreaming of someday boating into. I think harbors and marinas should be privatized for much better service. I will probably set my sights on Tamales Bay or keep my day boating close to home.

The boating world needs more "boating inn" accommodations for coastal water travelers.

At least when I travel by automobile or camp, I have no trouble booking over the telephone or Internet to secure overnight lodging or a campsite in advance far from home.

It sounds like long-haul boaters risk a lot of nasty surprises and the ocean is unfriendly.



Probably not what you want to hear, but come take a trip to FL. It really is more like driving on the interstate. You can boat up and down the ICW, Gulf and Atlantic coasts with ease in everything ranging to a 10' kayak to a +100' yatch. There are endless numbers of docks, marinas, campground, rivers, estuaries, etc...Many of which you can just pull up to in a canoe, sailboat or cabin cruiser. You then hop out, do your thing on land and get right back on the water. Most restaurants on the water have there own docks just for folks who prefer to drive their boat to dinner rather than the family sedan. There are also all kinds of "poker run" charity events where folks go from bar to bar, restaurant to restaurant in their Miami Vice style cigarette boats. Not to mention tons of tours, races and all sorts of other events going on throughout the year. Check of the Everglades Challenge, or some of the other small boat races. It's a fun, but surprisingly grueling race for small, homemade sail boats. They take several days to complete the course along the Gulf Coast while living on board and making stops at various checkpoints along the way.
 

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I think it's mainly a matter of going & enjoying yourself when you get there. Hot showers, breathing space, hotels & luxuries is not what its about. If that's what you need, take a Carnival Cruise.
At Catalina Island it's 1st come 1st served. But, on the busiest recent weekend with the Jazz concerts drawing boaters there was no broblem getting a mooring after we arrived. There were literally a couple of hundred mooring spaces available at Avalon. If indeed you were to get skunked & can't find a mooring anywhwere, then anchor & enjoy yourself anyway.
2 years ago we went to Puget Sound for a couple of weeks. There were plenty of secluded spots, where we tied toa rock or tree on shore & spent the night, plus Marinas when we felt like it.. The Sacramento River Delta had plenty of Marina Slips available and the Meadows had a lot of Anchoring space. On Lake Powell last year we went from Wahweap to Halls Crossing & found good overnight beaches all along the way.
A 21 ft cuddy cabin is a nice place to relax, see the scenery & sleep at night. If there are too many of you for the cabin, pitch a tent on shore.
 

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Re: California coastal harbors STINK and many are government run!

Certainly, if I were to fish for King salmon in my 21-footer for the day, I most certainly would trailer her to a boat ramp right on the coast or nearby inlet: this would not be an overnight deal UNLESS I reserved lodging at the Tomales Bay Boatel on inland sheltered water in the town of Inverness, Northern California in advance and pay the high lodging cost there. They will also accept my hounds for an additional premium. Plenty of calm beaches, including wonderful dog-off-leash-friendly Dillon Beach north of Tomales bay, inside that bay too to easily land and stretch out upon.... here take a look-see...

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh579/roysummers85/sausalitotoinvernesschart.jpg

http://www.lawsonslanding.com/
Why dont you just launch here ..... :facepalm:
 
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