Ca. folks in for serious trouble???

FlaCowboy

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Re: Ca. folks in for serious trouble???

All they need to do is run a pipeline up north and collect some snow from all them folks that are tired of the white stuff and that will be filled in no time
 

gm280

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Well this didn't occur just this year. When you keep building new golf courses and housing developments (Edit: political) , what can you expect? I think their only solution is to build desalination plants and start using ocean water... Duh! :eek:
 
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Most of California's water is used for farming. Residential use is a small percentage. Golf courses are a drop in the bucket. I sure would like to know where all these new golf courses are that are getting built. I am a golfer and I don't know of any locally. :) In fact, the city of Los Angeles had a program where they removed probably 30% of the grass on my club's course and other courses in the city. They are currently giving residents $2/sq ft rebate for lawn that is removed.

Most Sierra ski resorts were finally able to open all runs just a week ago or so. This usually happens in mid December. Hoping for a miracle March.

Actually, its the people outside of California who are in the most trouble since California grows a lot of food for the rest of the country.

We need to get better at grabbing the water that does fall into our reservoirs. Huge percentage just runs off into the ocean.

Another interesting tidbit relating to water in California. 22% of the electricity use in California is used to move water around.
 
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Most of California's water is used for farming. Residential use is a small percentage. Golf courses are a drop in the bucket. I sure would like to know where all these new golf courses are that are getting built. I am a golfer and I don't know of any locally. :) In fact, the city of Los Angeles had a program where they removed probably 30% of the grass on my club's course and other courses in the city. They are currently giving residents $2/sq ft rebate for lawn that is removed.

Most Sierra ski resorts were finally able to open all runs just a week ago or so. This usually happens in mid December. Hoping for a miracle March.

Actually, its the people outside of California who are in the most trouble since California grows a lot of food for the rest of the country.

We need to get better at grabbing the water that does fall into our reservoirs. Huge percentage just runs off into the ocean.

Another interesting tidbit relating to water in California. 22% of the electricity use in California is used to move water around.

Only in the Peoples Republic of California.....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 

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Most of California's water is used for farming. Residential use is a small percentage. Golf courses are a drop in the bucket. I sure would like to know where all these new golf courses are that are getting built. I am a golfer and I don't know of any locally. :) In fact, the city of Los Angeles had a program where they removed probably 30% of the grass on my club's course and other courses in the city. They are currently giving residents $2/sq ft rebate for lawn that is removed.

Most Sierra ski resorts were finally able to open all runs just a week ago or so. This usually happens in mid December. Hoping for a miracle March.

Actually, its the people outside of California who are in the most trouble since California grows a lot of food for the rest of the country.

We need to get better at grabbing the water that does fall into our reservoirs. Huge percentage just runs off into the ocean.

Another interesting tidbit relating to water in California. 22% of the electricity use in California is used to move water around.

that would be a win win for me, extra money and a whole lot less grass to mow. as it is I have been plating trees to occupy my land rather than grass. got 82 right now with another 75 on order for this spring. of course by the time they mature enough so I no longer have to mow, I'll be napping under one of them. LOL
 

bruceb58

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I am going to be removing a lot of my lawn and planting native plants as well. I am in the county so no rebate. I just hate mowing and gophers.
 

bruceb58

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Only in the Peoples Republic of California.....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Well, it's an option since they aren't forcing people to do it so not sure your comment applies.
 
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sam60

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We have some much welcomed rain in the forecast for southern Nevada. Just hope it isn't too much too fast for us and the other places that need it.
 

kfa4303

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Some rain will help with the drought, but I'm a bit more worried about the Fukushima flavored water that is starting to wash ashore :/
 

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I'm a bit more worried about the Fukushima flavored water that is starting to wash ashore :/
that whole thing is a joke. You're exposed to more radiation on a cross country airline flight.
 

kfa4303

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Rain won't wash away the radiation, but it will fix the drought which is just a natural, cyclical pattern, nuclear power plant failures are not. Also, radiation is cumulative so if you eat, drink, and sleep around it long enough it adds up....and the plant it's STILL leaking with no plan in sight to stop it. Also, the estimates from TEPCO, Forbes, et. al. are dubious at best. There are already waves of health issues in Japan and elsewhere. Just ask these sailors and civilians.

Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue | New York Post

Fukushima radiation data is wildly wrong, management apologizes - The Times of India
Fukushima radiation higher than first estimated, TEPCO admits ?€? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

Best to err on the side of caution, but if you want some TEPCO nuked nigiri with a side of BP flavored shrimp cocktail knock yourself out. I'm sure it's all perfectly safe. Just like the water in West Virginia, North Carolina and Sochi ;)
 
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kind of funny that I have seen this subject come up on four other sites I frequent over the last month, I still see only one long term solution, Desalination plants for drinking water.

What falls from the sky needs to go to the crops. The rest of the story only gets worse for California, California's draw on the Colorado river will be reduced as with the other states on the lower basin of the Colorado, further it is likely that California will have to replace the overages it has drawn from the Colorado river over the last decade.

The reason I mention this is that I believe that California's water problem is not just California's, it is the west's problem, every state that draws from the Colorado river's problem, so it seems reasonable to me that the west needs to help pay for the solution, since every state will benefit from California's ability to reduce its draw from the one river that supports 7 states and 2 countries in the west, any drop of water not taken by California supports more then 1/8 of the country.

Many countries are using Desalination plants, it is time for us to. To date California is the only State to use its allotment of Colorado River water according to the Colorado River Compact of 1922, it has actually used more, taking other states surplus allotments under agreements that the overages will be replaced, problem is the Colorado River Compact was estimated during an abnormal wet time frame that skewed the yearly averages at the time, now we have a better knowledge, more information and can make better calculations as to the actual amount of water provided by the Colorado, and that means that California will lose about 1 million acre feet of water this year from the Colorado River according to the Federal Government.

Fortunately this years snowpack in Colorado is roughly 130% of average, that is enough water to raise lake Powell by 35 feet, roughly 1/3 of what is needed to bring it to full pool, and we are just now entering the time when Colorado begins to get its heavy moisture laden spring snow, when the mountains really begin to add huge amounts of water to the already heavy snowpack, so for us its a pretty exciting time, hopefully we continue the pace and pack a huge amount of water in Powell. What this means for California is anyones guess though, I don't have the foggiest idea, everything I hear is that this water will stay in Powell, the lower basin consumers are on their own but I find that hard to believe, I have to believe that they will add water to Mead but I don't know how much, California's draw on the Colorado River supports such a large population, not just California, we have to do something but California has to help itself also, this is far from over..
 

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75% of California's water is used for agriculture. If you ever drive down I-5 you see some pretty wasteful irrigation practices. Flooding fields seems to be wasteful to me. I am not a farmer but it seems that something different can be done.

We are having our first real storm of the season starting tonight. Had a message from my water company reminding me to turn my sprinkler timer off until 3 days after the rain stops. Never received one of those before.
 
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As "Internet homework" consider looking up an incredibly good documentary film, A River at Risk.
Pretty balanced, but also pretty sobering.
 

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Which they should, do you know why? Because much of southern California is a DESERT! This is what happens when we try to play geographical games with nature. MUCH of SoCal's water comes from Northern California, enough that is has some up north looking to split the state.

Sorry, but that area was never intended to have that many people living in it, even with the hubris and arrogance of man and our modern technologies mother nature shows how much we really do not control.



Most of California's water is used for farming. Residential use is a small percentage. Golf courses are a drop in the bucket. I sure would like to know where all these new golf courses are that are getting built. I am a golfer and I don't know of any locally. :) In fact, the city of Los Angeles had a program where they removed probably 30% of the grass on my club's course and other courses in the city. They are currently giving residents $2/sq ft rebate for lawn that is removed.

Most Sierra ski resorts were finally able to open all runs just a week ago or so. This usually happens in mid December. Hoping for a miracle March.

Actually, its the people outside of California who are in the most trouble since California grows a lot of food for the rest of the country.

We need to get better at grabbing the water that does fall into our reservoirs. Huge percentage just runs off into the ocean.

Another interesting tidbit relating to water in California. 22% of the electricity use in California is used to move water around.
 

Tim Frank

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I know it's not popular to use the words "climate change" .....

Fewer people than ever still dispute the reality of climate change.
Where people go sideways....especially this winter for most of us ....is when the so-called experts speak of "Global Warming". :confused: :D
 
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