Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

Steve98513

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I have never owned or used a Tohatsu outboard, nor have I known anyone who has owned or used a Tohatsu. They are not common in my area, but a local shop is a dealer. He mostly sells smaller Tohatsu outboards in "kicker" motor sizes and a few up to 30 hp and customers seem satisfied. A new outboard is a sizable investment. Yamaha, Evenrude, Mercury, and even Suzuki are relatively common and well known here. I want to repower my 16' Lund. It is a light boat, and weight can be an issue. I use a 4 hp kicker for trolling, already have my fuel tanks near the bow, and the more weight located on or near my transom, the higher the bow rides, and the more difficult my boat is to control in any appreciable wind.

My very old 2-stroke 50 hp jet is 185 lb. I use it on rivers a lot. I thought I wanted a new Yamaha 4-stroke, but the 25 hp jet is about 229 lb, and the 40 hp jet is around 259 lb. So the local dealer also sells Evenrude E-tec that is about 220 lb, but they don't come in jet powered versions. That costs $1,700 to $1,900 extra, but I would have a left over lower unit.

So why this thread? Well, Tohatsu offers a 35 hp jet built on their 40/50 hp block at 196 lb., so the jet pump doesn't have to be purchased separately. It is 2-stroke, but is oil injected like an E-tec. The dealer says it is quiet - for a jet, and like an Evenrude E-tec, is easy on fuel, although maybe not as good as a 4-stroke. Problem for me is that he hasn't sold any and has no reports on motor performance or customer satisfaction. All I have been able to learn thus far is that Tohatsu makes small 4-stroke outboards for Mercury, Suzuki, Nissan, and even Evenrude in the smaller kicker sizes and up to 30 hp for some brands. They wouldn't put their house labels on Tohatsu motors unless they were confident in the quality, durability, and service, etc. However, the model I would consider is a modern advanced 2-stroke technology built on Tohatsu's 40/50 hp engine block. It would give me the most power for the least weight of all the outboard brands I've investigated, and therefore seems like it might be the best choice for my application.

What can the good people in this forum tell me about this outboard? Is it well made? Easy or hard to start? Runs well from idle all the way to wot? Is it really that much quieter than old 2-strokes? Will I regret investing $6 - 7,000 in an outboard brand and model that is all but unknown in my south Puget Sound region?

Thanks for any input.

Steve
 

Sea Rider

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

Unknown as Tohatsu brand, but well known as 4 strokes Merc, Nissan up to 30 HP and up to 15 HP Evinrude, all of them rebadged engines with own brand colors and stickers. 2 strokes engines are very simple, reliable and well built. Would it be possible to use a standard 2 stroke engine in your area, or 2 strokes are restricted ? Knew had released a 25 HP Jet version, but nothing upgrading to a 35 HP Jet version.

Happy Boating
 

toddschubert

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

I believe Tohatsu is made by Nissan. Could be wrong. Dad has one on a skiff on top of yacht. It works great, starts right up when cold and is very quiet.
 

pvanv

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

Tohatsu is the factory; Nissan, Merc, and Evinrude are brands. Motor for motor, Tohatsu is the largest OB manufacturer in the world.

The 35 jet has been out for years. It is based on the 50 TLDI, and that is very solid technology; the blocks are updated versions of the traditional 2-stroke motors. TLDI technology is easier to work on and every bit as reliable as any other oil-injected system -- more so than some. TLDI motors have the largest cooling passages of all brands, which translates into longer life in corrosive salt water. TLDI motors use less fuel, cc for cc than carbureted 4-strokes, and are lighter as well. No silly O2 sensors or catalytic convertors needed, so they are particularly reliable, as their inherent design is simpler. Since Tohatsu has been providing OB's for the Japanese commercial fishing market for decades (they are Japan's oldest OB manufacturer), their mantra is reliability.

While the brand is a relative newcomer to the US, in many parts of the world, such as the Caribbean, they are the number 1 brand by far. In the US, they are also the lowest-cost brand.
 

BobGlover

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

Tohatsu makes Nissan and Mercury small motors. I own two Nissan 9.8 hp motors and one Tohatsu 50 hp. tldi motor. They're all good--and less expensive than the others.
 

becxlt

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

I stood In a Nissan dealers show room and was told how much better Nissan are compared to
Tohastsu’s ;-)
Saved about $400 buying the Tohatsu .
 

Steve98513

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

Thanks for the replies. Learning that the 35 hp jet has been around a while increases my confidence. Not having to buy the jet pump separately, as is the case with the Evenrude E-tec, is a major added value to me, along with the slight weight savings. I'm going to talk with the dealer again, and maybe end up with the first one of this model in my town.
 

WN2712NJ

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

I'm also in Western Wa., and have a 08 20HP 4stroke. Not the same motor that you are considering, but I did have a major warranty issue with an oil leak when the motor was 2 years old. Tohatsu took care of it, replacing the entire powerhead. I don't know if this is normal or not, but the warranty work was actually done by a guy who is a Nissan dealer.

Good Luck,

-dm
 

TGuy

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

As Paul pointed out, the Tohatsu 35jet is based on their 50hp TLDI model. The 50hp TLDI was first introduced around 2000/2001 so it's not exactly "new" any longer. And the "jet" part of it has been around for a few years. All jet drives are made by a company in California (Outboard Jets of Calif.). I guess they must own the patent on it because all brands use their jet drives.
 

fxb1982

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Re: Brand familiarity, or lack of . . .

I have been very happy with my 2001 30HP four stroke Nissan tiller electric start tilt/trim outboard. Absolutely no issues going on 12 years. Bought mine through Cabelas who drop shipped it to my door. If I remember correctly I paid $1000 les than a comparable Honda/Yamaha model.
 
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