Boat Purchase Advice Needed

Bill Shanko

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My wife and I are looking into buying our first boat for use on lakes in our area. (Nashville). The main uses for the boat will be to go fishing (3-4 people) or just go out and putter around for the day with up 7-8 people. We have looked @ pontoon boats (voyager, sylvan, suntracker 20-24 ft with outboards) and deck boats (Starcraft, Chapparal, Sunesta, Hurricane 21-23 ft with 150 o/b or 5.7 i/o) Does anybody have advice/opinions/etc on this?<br /><br />Also if we choose a pontoon boat, any thoughts on foam-filed pontoons vs indiv. air chambers??<br /><br />We will need to decide whether to trailer the boat or get a slip @ one of the local lakes. Anybody have comments about lakes near Nashville, TN.<br /><br />Any and all advice is appreciated. As you can see this is going to be a new adventure and we don't want to have to make stupid mistakes and uninformed decisions.<br /><br />Thanks
 

fone_man

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

Welcome to the board "Uncle Bill"....<br /><br />As for boat vs pontoon.... I like them both but I really do not want to trailer a pontoon... what a monster... but great for putting around lake & I know of several people that fish from theirs... stable & get get into shallow water... but with the versatilty that you would get with deck boat... you can fish, ski, cruise, etc... but if you want to park your pontoon and sit all day then that would be direction I would take... Top end on pontoon not as quick as deck boat....<br /><br />I personally like to take my boat out and cruise for hours down river or lake... I used to go to "Percy Priest" but it is like amatuer hour on lake... haven't been there in 2 years & I live in Franklin, TN.... I like peace & soliditude when I go to the water... I normally go to TN River, Old Hickory Lake, or Center Hill... Not as crowded plus I can travel down/up river to get away from the crowds... Center Hill has so many beautiful coves, water falls, etc... really hard to pass up!!! From my house it is 60 miles to TN River, 90 miles to Center Hill & 40 miles to Old Hickory... roughly 1 hours drive w/boat... The convenience of having a slip is you know where to park your boat & it is always in water!!! Like to call it "Lake Locked"... only place you go... welcome to my neighborhood. I like to visit different bodies of water & enjoy not having to deal with the dock/slip issue but that is me.<br /><br />Also, I am a Mercrusier Fan... have owned a variety of them with good luck.... Where have you been to look at boats in Nashville & what part of town are you in??? I am quite familiar with lakes in this area as I have been boating in TN for over 25 years... Feel free to post specific questions on the lakes & boats... Be glad to help you out!!!<br /><br /><br /> :cool:
 

Bill Shanko

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

Fone_man: Thanks for the reply. We are leaning towards getting a slip instead of trailering partly because of just what you mentioned… Pontoons are monsters to trailer and also because of the weight of a 23’ I/O deckboat…. But mainly because we have no experience in trailering and if its at a slip close to where we live (West Nashville) we would be more likely to use it more.<br /><br />Proximity to where we live is also the main reason we are considering Percy Priest. That’s the closest to where we live. We are still considering Center Hill and Cuba Landing on the TN river. Any scoop on Marinas at these places ???<br /><br />We have been to the Chapparal, Hurricane, Voyager, Sea Ray dealers in Nashville and to Bass pro Shop looking at Tracker. Still want to go to the place in Franklin (is it Boat Mart?) to look at Sylvan pontoons and Starcraft (Aurora)Deck Boats, and to the place in ****son to look at Bennington and JC pontoons. Any other places we should go ???<br /><br />Also, what of the issue of buying new or used ??? Since I am not a very good mechanic, new is attractive to me, but then the cost is maybe better if you buy used. <br /><br />What do the terms draft and deadrise mean ?? what should I look for in those areas ??
 

fone_man

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

You are looking at some good boat mfg's, I like the FourWinns but this is what I presently own!!! Would I buy another... only if I could get a Mercruiser I/O but if I remember from last boat show/brochure... nothing but Volvo/Penta's in them now!!! Mine is an 86 18 ft Open-Bow Runabout that I purchased from a friend of mine in Ashland, KY... Thank goodness, his wife had a baby & thier time became limited & his decision to sell was my gain... great boat, great price, very well maintained... this is what mattered!!!<br /><br />As for Boat Locker in Franklin, I have heard nothing but good comments from others & have used him on occasion when needing some things but I do my own maintenance & repairs. There was an article in Franklin paper a while back that explained the family philosophy regarding operation of boat dealership & it was cool plus the nearest water is 15-20 miles away & in downtown Franklin... local people! I see thier products when I drive by & like what I see but other than that... you need to visit & ask about thier service policies, etc..<br /><br />OK... now I know what section of town you are in... West Nashville. <br /><br />You have some options here & this is the way I look at it but you might not agree but here goes...<br /><br />I look at my travel time... to ramp or dock... from Franklin to Percy Priest equals 45 to 55 minutes via interstate or back roads doesn't matter depending on traffic. To TN River (Cuba Landing) 50-60 minutes... straight down I-40 to off-ramp & couple miles too dock all interstate!!!<br /><br />The marinas in both areas are comparable.<br /><br /> The folks who have purchased the dock at Cuba Landing have fixed it up & have great facilities & are open pretty much all the time due to river traffic from TN River & you would not believe the amount of people from Nashville area who dock their boats there. I like TN River for it's proximity to Nashville plus I can cruise for hours & I grew up on KY lake/Paris Landing while in High School. I have friends up & down lake & try to stop in to visit when I go. Plus, I can cruise for a few hours, pull into marina, pay 5 dollars for the night to park boat, get a room in cabin plus some good places to eat & party right on the water.<br /><br />Percy Priest has 4-Corners which I like but they get a lot of traffic of people coming to fish who do not have boats but I have had the opportunity to keep my boats there & have some friends still there. Good little restaurant... luv the CATFISH on Friday nites!!! So as docks go... It would be up to you & your friends to determine which is more convenient for yourselves. I am not down on Priest but I feel that the amount of traffic it receives from Nashville area sometimes can be overwhelming. Plus it is "land locked"... & I like to cruise as I mentioned earlier.<br /><br />Center Hill... I luv the deep water, I luv the coves, my trip usually includes cruise up to the water falls then back to coves to chill out & relax... I have spent many a night on lake... there is nothing like it!!! I use Hurricane Creek dock because of its central location from interstate plus the lake. The docks near the dam include State Park plus I cannot remember the name of the other one but I know how to get there via water or land... both places have plenty of people that are from Nashville area & they come for the solitude of the lake. It is also, is "land locked" but you can make plenty of day trips to keep it interesting & even though it may have the same amount of boats on it as Priest... being so large & deep... it doesn't seem that crowded!!!<br /><br /><br />As for buying new & used, that decision is left up to you but I do know in today's market here in Nashville people will buy a boat then want to unload it before winter because they thought it would be fun & they really are not people that are in tune with the water or they didn't get to use it as much as they thought... so they are some good deals out there & you do not take depreciation... they have!!!<br /><br />I would recommend that you & your family take a few trips to the various lakes & look at docks... because they are a little like neighborhoods & you might want to check out thier ammenties, etc.. While you are there rent a pontoon or deckboat... The State Park @ Center Hill has some nice boat rentals available for the day. This way you know how each one operates & it will be easier after that small investment to determine what you like about both types of vessels. Cheaper than buying boat and deciding that the other was more suited to your lifestyle & needs.<br /><br />DRAFT: The depth of vessel's "keel" below water line.<br /><br />KEEL: The principal structural member of ship/boat running lengthwise along centerline from bow (front) to stern (back), to which frames are attached.<br /><br />I didn't know answer to DEADRISE, so I researched it for you & I and this is what I came up with...<br /><br />DEADRISE: Describes the dihedral angle in a Vee-bottom hull form. The sum of the dihedral angles always equals 180 degrees. <br /><br />"In simple terms, the deadrise is the angle between the horizontal and the "vee" of the boat measured at the transom. The higher the number of degrees, the deeper the vee and the smoother the ride in choppy water. Your 16 degree deadrise hull would be described as a Medium Vee. You do not say what your current boat is or what type of boat you are looking to buy as there are many considerations in a new boat as well as its deadrise; ie; space, speed, stability, size, etc. However, if you are after peak performance and handling then a deeper vee (say around 22 degrees) will be superb. This would however, affect the shape of the boat and you may have to give up some interior space to achieve a more "dart-like" style. (Jaykay Marine Sales Ltd)"<br /><br />What type of tow vehicle to you have??? <br /><br />In conclusion, the best advise I can give you is visit the areas/lakes/water that you are considering, rent a pontoon or deck boat to determine your want & needs (plus your family's... which one is wife/children most comfortable in operating should they need to in certain situations!!!), visit docks in these areas & ask about there products & services, make sure whatever you buy that it comes with a trailer... the boat will have to come out of the water/dock for certain things (cleaning bottom, warranty issues, etc.) or if you decide boat is not your cup of tea... it is easier to sell a boat with trailer than without, cheaper is not always the best solution in trailers (research needs & capacities just as you do your boat choices, you need a tow vehicle or access to one should it require removal from water. I can go on & on... and this is getting lengthy enough.<br /><br />I hope I have answered some of your questions, please feel free to contact me via email for a quicker response to certain items.... <br /><br />fone_man@bellsouth.net<br /><br /> :cool:
 

rogerwa

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

My $.02 worth.. I own a 21ft pontoon with a 50hp motor. I trailer it around because I do not want to pay for a slip, although, that is the most troublefree way to boat.<br /><br />As for trailering, it is really not that bad. I have a float on trailer that I can retrieve and launch in virtually any condition and as fast as any other boat.. It takes a big vehicle to tow it (I use an expedition), but so will any other 21+ft boat.<br /><br />I am currently looking to sell mine because I found that our primary use is to cruise across the lake to a beach where the kids can hang out in the sand and swim and also to tube and ski. This is not well suited for your average pontoon. I will quickly burn up my motor if I do too much tubing and skiing.<br /><br />If putting around and fishing is your thing, give serious consideration to the pontoon. It is incredibly stable for a fishing platform ( I can comfortably fish 5 adults) and the square footage and furniture accomodations cannot be beat. You will also save money. The same deck square footage in a deck boat will cost a lot more..<br /><br />Go with the air filled toons. These are not pressurized. The foam ones will be trouble if you develop a small leak. The foam will become saturated and will be very expensive to fix. Air filled can be fixed very easily. If you puncture one of the tubes, thay have separate chambers and will still float for quite a while if not indefinitely. You other toon is still intact.<br /><br />You can also look at the shape of the pontoon. A flat bottomed pontoon will have some semi-planning characteristics. In my experience, get the biggest tubes you can. The less tube in the water, the less drag. Also, you will get greater capacity.<br /><br />Just some thoughts..
 

Chum Slick

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Uncle Bill,<br /> I have a 20 ft SandPiper pontoon with a 70 hp Johnson that I trailer at least twice a week up to 60 miles one way with no problems at all. You can't beat the pontoons as far as deck space. Try putting a Bar-B-Q grill on any other 20 ft boat and having a cookout. I have a 24 ft Mako walk around cuddy that can't compare with the space on the shorter pontoon. I pull a two person tube with my SandPiper with four other people on the boat with no problem. One shortcoming with pulling tubes and skiers behind a pontoon, they don't create the nice wakes that a deep V does which makes tubing and skiing fun. It will not get a skier up with a quick hole shot like other boats unless you have one with a lot of horespower pushing it. The only shortcoming I have with pontoons is the turning radius. The drive like a bus.....I can't trim my motor up and turn on a dime like I can with my 18 ft Thunderbird Formula, but then again I use mine mostly for fishing, tubing, and cruising around.<br /><br />Keep the bait in the Slick........
 

kayak99

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

If I had the money, and considering your desired uses, I would definately purchase the deck boat over the pontoon. Its much more easy to trailer a deck boat if you want to visit other waterways and is much more versatile if you want to "boat" as opposed to "float". <br /><br />Deck boats are more expensive but also retain their value longer. Both styles would be heavily discounted, and used pontoons can be obtained relatively cheaply, at this time of year so let your wallet help make your decision.<br /><br />Try one of each and you'll note the differences.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

dmessy

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

For a 1 st time boater my advice is to start small and grow. I've heard (and believe) that a boat is a hole in the water you throw your money into...bigger boat,more money. This may not be an issue for you however you can get a good deal on a used boat at this time of year. Use it some this fall, winter store it, then step up to a better(bigger?) boat next summer. You may be able to acually make money when selling your boat at the beginning of the season. Or keep what you have if you like it.<br />Think of your needs. No boat does everything well.<br />Pontoons are pretty slow and big. Will it just be 2 people most often or just ocassionally? Deck boats are faster but are limited to # of passengers. <br />You can fish out of basically anything, some are better at this than others.Good luck boat shopping, see ya'll at the lake!!
 

BillT111

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Re: Boat Purchase Advice Needed

Dear Uncle Bill,<br />Am also in market for a new or newer boat.<br />Have owned 5 boats so far and am looking to get either a toon or deck boat.<br />Some things to think thru thouroughly before buying a boat.<br />-will u have to tow it alot? make sure you get a rig and especially a trailer thats manageable.<br />-how will you use the boat?<br />fishing , skiing/tubing/wakeboarding, or just cruising?<br />-horsepower,,make SURE!!! you dont get a underpowered boat!! you will be mad for a long time. I like to have enought speed to get to shore or back to the dock if a sudden storm hits( I hate being rained on!!)<br />-also will you use boat during the winter or colder months. I live in Oklahoma and can often go boating in dec.,jan.,feb!! so I am partial to the new 4 stroke O/B's as they are super easy to winterize.<br /><br />Pontoons have evolved into higher performance rigs , with the newer ones having tri-toon designs or "lifting strakes" to they now have better speeds than before and can carry bigger motors as well.Toons offer a "one level "deck without having any steps to deal with.<br />Deck boats offet the better performance of a "hull" ,however they are a shallow "V" design.decks can usually carry a larget motor an offer more of a "cockpit" area which maybe a benefit to you or your friends.<br />-Also with decks you have choices of alum. or fiberglass hulls.<br /><br />I have been pondering all these possibilities as my next boat will be used 40+weekends a year, and I also plan on keeping it a long time.<br />Lately , I seem to be hanginh out around marinas,docks,boat dealers and the occassional boat show. Several dealers at a few lakes have even given me test rides!!<br />I guess the besy advice I can give, don't get in a big rush to buy, until you have it narrowed down really well. Also consider the manufacturer and it's choice of dealers and service. Here in Oklahoma for example there are very few places to work on or get parts for Volvo-Penta(I/O).<br />Please write me back and let me know what boats you like, maybe we can compare some findings...
 
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