Black spots on boat after storage?

Kalani 938

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What's up guys!! It's been awhile since I've posted on here, but the weather is gettin warmer here in deep East Texas and I just installed my new Solas Rubex Titan HR4 four blade stainless steel prop and I'm ready to take the Tahoe out for a test run tomorrow to see how the new prop works!! It's been sitting up all winter with my boat cover on it and when I pulled the cover off to clean it out and recharge the battery I noticed little black specs or spots if you will, all over the seats and the plastic? I assume these are mold spots, but I'm a pretty new boat owner so I'm not 100% sure. If these are mold spots, how should I remove them? My boat is a 2006 Tahoe Q4 with a Mercruiser 4.3L 190HP. :D
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Black spots on boat after storage?

mildew. bleach water solution, rinse well. bathroom shower cleaner. caused by lack of air circulation.
 

gcboat

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I stumbled across a product called Clorox Cleanup. Comes in a plastic spray bottle. Works wonders on your mold and even those pesky tannin stains we have here in south FL.
Remember to rinse really good as bleach will attack the binding threads and cause early failure.
 

NCLakeboater

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Re: Black spots on boat after storage?

Could the black spots be from spider poop and not mold? Getting rid of spider poop if you live near water is an ongoing job.
 

lkbum

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Could be spider droppings, they will look more like a dried dot of blood than the irregeluar pattern with mold. Bleach is not a good cleaner for vinyls. The following applies to wood but it is a good read that is applicable in a lot of siturations. Bleach solutions are only effective (long term) on hard surfaces....

From the web (several sources, this is from Clorox)
WARNING !!!

Do NOT use Chlorine bleach to kill mold or disinfect moldy areas. It is not an effective or long lasting killer of mold and mold spores. Bleach is good only for changing the color of the mold and watering the roots of the mold.

CHLORINE BLEACH IS INEFFECTIVE IN KILLING MOLD FOR THESE REASONS:

(1) The object to killing mold is to kill its ?roots?. Mold remediation involves the need to disinfect wood and wood-based building materials, all of which are porous materials. Thus, chlorine bleach should not be used in mold remediation as confirmed by OSHA?s Mold Remediation/ Clean Up Methods guidelines. The use of bleach as a mold disinfectant is best left to kitchen and bathroom countertops, tubs and shower glass, etc.

(2) Chlorine Bleach does kill bacteria and viruses, but has not been proven effective in killing molds on non-porous surfaces. Bleach itself is 99% water. Water is one of the main contributors of the growth of harmful bacteria and mold. Current situations using bleach re-grew and regenerated mold and bacteria twice the CFU counts than were originally found before bleaching, within a short period of time. Bleach is an old method used for some bacteria and mold. It is the only product people have known for years. The strains now associated within Indoor Air quality issues are resistant to the methods our grandmothers employed to clean-up mold..

(3) What potential mold 'killing' power chlorine bleach might have, is diminished significantly as the bleach sits in warehouses, on grocery store shelves or inside your home or business 50% loss in killing power in just the first 90 days inside a never opened jug or container. Chlorine constantly escapes through the plastic walls of its containers.

(4) The ionic structure of bleach prevents Chlorine from penetrating into porous materials such as drywall and wood---it just stays on the outside surface, whereas mold has enzyme roots growing inside the porous construction materials---however, the water content penetrates and actually FEEDS the mold---this is why a few days later you will notice darker, more concentrated mold growing (faster) on the bleached area.

(5) Chlorine Bleach accelerates the deterioration of materials and wears down the fibers of porous materials.

(6) Chlorine Bleach is NOT registered with the EPA as a disinfectant to kill mold. You can verify this important fact for yourself when you are unable to find an EPA registration number for killing mold on the label of any brand of chlorine bleach.

(7) Chlorine bleach off gases for a period of time. Chlorine off gassing can be harmful to humans and animals. It has been known to cause pulmonary embolisms in low resistant, and susceptible people.

(8) Chlorine bleach will evaporate within a short period of time. If the area is not dry when the bleach evaporates, or moisture is still in the contaminated area (humidity, outside air dampness), you could re- start the contamination process immediately and to a greater degree.

(9) Chlorine is a key component of DIOXIN. One of the earliest findings of dioxin's toxicity in animals was that it caused birth defects in mice at very low levels. This finding led to dioxin being characterized as "one of the most potent teratogenic environmental agents". The first evidence that dioxin causes cancer came from several animal studies completed in the late 1970's. The most important of these, published in 1978 by a team of scientists from Dow Chemical Company, led by Richard Kociba, found liver cancer in rats exposed to very low levels of dioxin. This study helped establish dioxin as one of the most potent animal carcinogens ever tested and, together with the finding of birth defects in mice, led to the general statement that dioxin is the "most toxic synthetic chemical known to man." (Find more information on DIOXIN, by clicking HERE & HERE)

If Not Bleach, What Can I use?



Chlorine Bleach and Mold Clean Up (Let's Set the Record Straight!)
(reprinted with permission from our friends at Spore?Tech Mold Investigations, LLC)

The Myth.
A myth exists concerning the use and ?effectiveness? of chlorine bleach (sodium hypochorite) in the remediation of a mold problem. Mold remediation involves the removal and or clean up and restoration of mold contaminated building materials.

Opposing Views and Confusion.
Chlorine bleach, commonly referred to as laundry bleach, is generally perceived to be an ?accepted and answer-all? biocide to abate mold in the remediation processes. Well-intentioned recommendations of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and other federal, state and local agencies are perpetuating that belief. And confusing the issue is one federal agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA), taking an opposing point of view by NOT recommending the use of chlorine bleach as a routine practice in mold remediation.

Does Bleach Really Kill Mold?
Will chlorine bleach kill mold or not?yes or no? The answer is yes, but with a caveat. That answer comes from The Clorox Company, Oakland CA, manufacturer and distributor of Ultra Clorox? Regular Bleach. The company?s correspondence to Spore?Tech Mold Investigations, LLC stated that their Tech Center studies supported by independent laboratories show that ??3/4 cup of Clorox liquid bleach per gallon of water will be effective on hard, non-porous surfaces against? Aspergillus niger and Trichophyton mentagrophytes (Athlete?s Foot Fungus)?. Whether or not chlorine bleach kills other molds and fungi, the company did not say. The words ?hard, non-porous? surfaces? present the caveat. Mold remediation involves the need to disinfect wood and wood-based building materials, all of which are porous materials. Thus, chlorine bleach should not be used in mold remediation as confirmed by OSHA?s Mold Remediation/ Clean Up Methods guidelines. The use of bleach as a mold disinfectant is best left to kitchen and bathroom countertops, tubs and shower glass, etc.

Why Chlorine Bleach is NOT Recommended for Mold Remediation.
Chlorine bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is corrosive and that fact is stated on the product label. Yet the properties of chlorine bleach prevent it from ?soaking into? wood-based building materials to get at the deeply embedded mycilia (roots) of mold. The object to killing mold is to kill its ?roots?. Reputable mold remediation contractors use appropriate products that effectively disinfect salvageable mold infected wood products. Beware of any mold inspector or mold remediation company that recommends or uses chlorine bleach for mold clean up on wood-based building materials.

Chlorine Bleach Is Active Ingredient in New Mold & Mildew Products.
The appearance of new mold and mildew household products on store shelves is on the rise. Most are dilute solutions of laundry bleach. The labels on these mold and mildew products state that they are for use on (again) hard, non-porous surfaces and not for wood-based materials. Instructions where not to apply the products are varied. A few examples where the branded products should not be applied include wood or painted surfaces, aluminum products, metal (including stainless steel), faucets, marble, natural stone, and, of course, carpeting, fabrics and paper. One commercial mold and mildew stain remover even specifically states it should not be applied to porcelain or metal without immediate rinsing with water and that the product isn?t recommended for use on formica or vinyl.

Caveat Emptor!
Before purchasing a mold and mildew product, read and fully understand the advertised purpose of that product ? and correctly follow the use instructions of a purchased product. The labeling claims on these new products can be confusing ? some say their product is a mold and mildew remover while another says their product is a mildew stain remover and yet others make similar 'ambiguous' claims. Make double sure that the product satisfies your intended need on the surface to which it is to be applied. If your intention is to kill mold, make sure the product does exactly that and follow the directions for usage. Consumers may find that mixing their own diluted bleach solution will achieve the same results as any of the new mold and mildew products ? keep in mind that the use of chlorine bleach is not for use on mold infected wood products including wall board, ceiling tiles, wall studs, fabric, paper products, etc.

Conclusion.
Laundry bleach is not an effective mold killing agent for wood-based building materials and NOT EFFECTIVE in the mold remediation process. OSHA is the first federal agency to announce a departure from the use of chlorine bleach in mold remediation. In time, other federal agencies are expected to follow OSHA?s lead. The public should be aware, however, that a chlorine bleach solution IS an effective sanitizing product that kills mold on hard surfaces and neutralizes indoor mold allergens that trigger allergies.

Using bleach can cause serious health problems.

The fumes are very caustic and great care must be taken not to breath it in too much.

It is also very damaging to clothing and carpeting, the human body, and the environment.

THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD TO GET RID OF VISIBLE MOLD IS BY REMOVING THE AFFECTED AREA.

NOTE ::: MoldAcrossAmerica does not recommend the use of ozone to address mold or any other indoor air problems

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ALL molds reproduce by making "spores." Mold spores are microscopic and only become visible when individual spores accumulate. According to the United States EPA, these microscopic particles continuously move through indoor and outdoor air. When mold spores find moisture indoors, they may "begin growing and digesting whatever they are growing on in order to survive." Molds gradually destroy whatever they are growing on.
 

H8tank

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Re: Black spots on boat after storage?

"THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD TO GET RID OF VISIBLE MOLD IS BY REMOVING THE AFFECTED AREA"

Say what??!??!?! :eek:
 

triumphrick

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Re: Black spots on boat after storage?

Great post ikbum on what not to use.....however the OP wants to remove the mold or mildew spores. As we deal with this kind of stuff constantly down here what can be used. Anyone have any suggestions? We got problems, just need some solutions! :rolleyes:
 

EAVES

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Spray bottle with AWESOME degreaser works well make sure to rinse well after treatment and make sure to treat the areas with Armorall or some kind of treatment
 

Dirty Dawg

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I have seen the same statements about bleach vs. mold as well, and it may be true since we have tried it in the house on a few moldy items, leather saddle being one of them and it does not always seem to get ride of it. ( potential new infestation??? maybe)
The recommendation is Boric acid or hydrogen perioxide. They have safety issues as well and I have yet to try it on the boat or the house. Caution especially around pets and small chilren. Ike
 

lkbum

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The posted article on Mildew is for treating midlew in Homes.... The only place any real testing has been done on treating mildew. Thats why they have the reference to remove mildew infested materials and the references to wood. However, most of it applies to vinyl, covers carpet etc.

I'm in atlanta and mildew is always a problem. I've used Starbrite and any other cleaner that catches my eye that advertises no chlorine. They use various other chemicals that "kill" and remove mildew. I think they work as well as bleach/water which I used in the 70's.
http://www.overtons.com/modperl/pro..._Remover_20_oz&str=mildew&merchID=1008&r=view

The best stuff I used, however, is no longer available. Some chemists at Ga Tech came up with a fungicide to prevent the spread of Aids that you put on a surface and virtually nothing would grow on it. I had a pontoon boat that was always wet and always had mildew. I cleaned it really well, dried the seats and applied this anit-microbial liquid. One year later, the seats were clean as a whistle. I can't believe the stuff didn't take off, it was expensive ($30/gallon), but it worked great.
 

10 FOOT INVADER

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Re: Black spots on boat after storage?

I have had good results with a product called spray nine. I use to get it at pep boys. Most auto parts stores carry it. Auto zone has it on the same row as the sea foam.
 

kandil

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I used the pressure washer green tip and it never came back make sure you keep the nozzle far enough so you would not damage the boat:D
 

Kalani 938

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I tried the pressure washer, but it didn't do anything at all. I need to try some of these cleaners yall are talking about and see how it works.
 

tjstaffy

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Hi, In Australia we use soapy warm water with a cap of metholated spirits.Just any car wash with wax like a wax and shine detergent, wax puts a film over the vinyl and protects it the metholated spirit kills the mold . but only use a bottle cap full and scrub with a soft brush.
 

LubeDude

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Could the black spots be from spider poop and not mold? Getting rid of spider poop if you live near water is an ongoing job.

Poop????, He said "POOP"!!!! He said it twice, I'm offended!
 

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obviously you can't "remove the affected area". The problem is unless you get it all it comes back over and over again. What you can do is spray everything down with an antimicrobial coating. That way it can't spread. It is called SurfaceAide. I am actually going around to boat yards in Il, WI, and MN to see if they want to offer this service to their customers. I've had a good response from the owners but I haven't spoken their customers yet. What do you guys think?
 

salty87

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i'd use a mild soap with a medium stiffness brush, no harsh cleansers. then get it out in the sun, all weekend.

add some vents to your cover.
 

capt sam

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I had this on a cooler seat on an older boat I used to have, straight bleach, chlorine and numerous other cleaners didn't get it. I ended up repainting it with vinyl paint.
 
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