Bizarre problem with new 3.0l base engine

billbr

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I bought a new GM base engine last September from Michigan Motorz and have had nothing but problems. First, the EST ignition was defective and I was only getting half the specified spark advance. Then, when installing the replacement, I noticed the distributor gear was halfway ground off. I posted about this problem, so some of you may remember. Michigan Motorz only solution was to have me crate the entire motor, including starter, manifold, carb, alternator, and cooling system back to them. I didn't want to do that so I replaced the camshaft myself and that fixed the problem.

Everything was great for about 10 hours of operation, when suddenly the engine lost most of it's power. Compression checked out good. Some how the base timing shifted to >12 deg ATDC. Reset the base timing and I encountered severe detonation as soon as I hit the throttle. Changed to my old centrifugal ignition and the detonation persisted. I then set the base timing to 6 deg ATDC and that reduced the detonation, but didn't eliminate it. Temperature gauge is normal.

As I said. Bizarre. Has anyone here ever seen something like this?
 

billbr

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Yes. The new camshaft fixed the original problem. To their credit, Michigan Motorz agreed to reimburse me for all the parts I had to buy.
 

alldodge

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Sorry to repeat my self, and I know you said yes, but to clarify. MM reimbursed for the camshaft, did you pull the distributor and look at the cam gear again?
 

billbr

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Yes. After 10 hours on the new camshaft, the distributor gear was still in perfect shape.
 

alldodge

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Would help to know what the original serial number was or at least the year. I going to assume that yours is old enough to be using manual 13. This being the case, these motors came with EST, Points and DDIS ignition.

The EST distributor should have an advance curve starting between 12 to 14 degrees (idle), and then full advance between 21 to 24 BTDC (2400-2800 rpm). This is with initial timing set a 1 BTDC which is set at base timing mode.

As for things moving around after being set, I have never seen it without something being wrong with the distributor. That said it would be hard pressed with it doing it again with a second distributor.

replaced the camshaft myself

The only other thing that could have happened is the timing gear slipped, or broke a tooth
 
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