Best fuel to use?

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There have been several discussions on fuel type. High test or regular, ethenol or no ethenol, etc. I plan on using non ethenol, 91 octane Shell gas exclusively in my EFI '02 60 hp Merc. Is this a good decision and what would you use given a choice?
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

There have been several discussions on fuel type. High test or regular, ethenol or no ethenol, etc. I plan on using non ethenol, 91 octane Shell gas exclusively in my EFI '02 60 hp Merc. Is this a good decision and what would you use given a choice?

Unless your engine calls for it, use the standard grade gas, no sense in wasting your money. Anything that new will not be affected by the 10% ethonol unless you let the gas sit for long times without treating it.

I have an 07 4.3MPI and I put the cheapest gas I can find at the local reputable gas places.
 

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Alot of people get the misconception that higher octane fuel is better, mostly due to marketing. They call it premium to make you think you are getting better fuel. Higher octane fuel is nothing more than regular with additives to make it ignite at a higher pressures and burn slower. It is less effecient than regular. High octane fuel was and is great for engines that have super high compression ratios. The compression in these engines causes regular fuel to ignite to soon and you get predetonation. So unless your engine is 12:1 compression or you are getting predetonation (pinging) you are wasting money and fuel buying high octane.
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

found this on the internet. thought it made since





Does gasoline really go "bad" if you leave it unused for a period of time? Some people are convinced this is just another urban legend, and that people who worry about "old gas" and spend money on fuel stabilizer are wasting psychic energy as well as cash.
But in fact, gasoline can degrade over time. That can lead to a number of problems, ranging from hard starting, to rough running, to no starting at all.
Here's Why

Unlike crude oil, gasoline is a highly refined product brewed to a certain chemical composition with very specific characteristics. One characteristic of gas is volatility, a term used to describe how easily and under what conditions the gas vaporizes so it can be efficiently burned in your car's engine.
The most highly volatile components in gasoline also tend to evaporate over time. As they do, the remaining fuel's volatility and ability to combust properly degrades. The less volatile the fuel, the less effectively it burns in your engine. The result is diminished engine performance. Your engine may still start and run, but it probably won't run as well.
The good news is, once the old gas has been consumed and the tank is topped off with fresh fuel, the problem should cure itself. Evaporation of volatile compounds can be limited by making sure the gas cap is secured tightly. For the same reason, be sure all portable gas containers are sealed tightly as well.
A More Serious Problem: Oxidation

Hydrocarbons in the gas react with oxygen to produce new compounds that eventually change the chemical composition of the fuel. This leads to gum and varnish deposits in the fuel system.
These deposits and impurities can clog up gas lines and filters, as well the small orifices in a carburetor and the even smaller orifices in a fuel injector. Removing these deposits can be expensive and your vehicle may not run at all or run very poorly until they are removed.
Water Contamination

Condensation can form inside your gas tank and lines from heat cycling. Fuels such as E85, which have a high concentration of ethanol alcohol, may be even more susceptible to water contamination, as ethanol likes to draw moisture out of the surrounding air.
Water contamination can be a problem at gas stations with light traffic due to a slightly different kind of heat cycling. The underground storage tanks experience increases and decreases in temperature. This can cause moisture to form and contaminate the fuel. When you fill up at such a station, you're pumping in the water along with the gas. Such low-traffic stations may also have other contaminants in their underground storage tanks, such as rust. They are best avoided when possible.
Water, of course, does not work too well as a fuel in an internal combustion engine.
It will cause hard starting and rough running until it's purged from the system. It can also contribute to internal rusting of the gas lines and tank. The resultant scale and small particles can create a true nightmare, sometimes requiring the replacement of the gas lines and tank at considerable expense.
You can reduce the chances of water contamination by keeping your car's gas tank as close to full as possible, especially if the vehicle is going to be left idle for an extended period.
How Do You Identify Bad Gas?

One way is to eyeball it. Oxidized fuel often turns darker over time and may even smell sour. You can check stored gasoline by pouring some into a clear glass container and comparing it side-by-side with known fresh gasoline. If your old sample looks noticeably darker than the fresh gas, you have strong evidence the gas has gone bad.
How Long Does it Take for Gas to Go Bad?

That depends on a number of factors. For one, it's hard to know how old the gas you just bought actually is. It may be fresh from the refinery, or it may be a month old already by the time you top off your tank. Some gasoline is mixed with better or more oxidation inhibitors than others.
It's a good rule of thumb to avoid leaving gas in your tank or a storage container for more than a coupe of months, if you can avoid it.
And if You Can't?

If you know gas will sit in your tank or a storage container for a couple months, then it's a wise move to buy some fuel system stabilizer and mix it in with the gasoline. Do it before you put the vehicle into long-term storage or before leaving your lawn equipment fuel containers sitting for the winter. The stabilizer helps prevent oxidation, the biggie that can turn gas into garbage that gunks up your system and leads to expensive repair work.
Using fuel system stabilizer for extended storage is preferable to draining the tank and leaving the system dry. This can cause rubber hoses, gaskets and seals to dry-rot and crack, possibly leading to leaks and even a fire. In addition, a dry system can expose the insides of metal fuel lines and your gas tank to air and moisture, which can lead to or accelerate the formation of rust.
Fuel system stabilizer is not a cure-all and it doesn't last forever. It must be mixed with fresh gas before the vehicle is stored, not added to already old gas. It can slow down the oxidation process and keep gas fresh for as long as 12 to15 months. If you're going to leave the vehicle parked for longer than that, you may want to drain the tank and refill with fresh fuel before returning the vehicle to service.
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Re: Best fuel to use?

Alot of people get the misconception that higher octane fuel is better, mostly due to marketing. They call it premium to make you think you are getting better fuel. Higher octane fuel is nothing more than regular with additives to make it ignite at a higher pressures and burn slower. It is less effecient than regular. High octane fuel was and is great for engines that have super high compression ratios. The compression in these engines causes regular fuel to ignite to soon and you get predetonation. So unless your engine is 12:1 compression or you are getting predetonation (pinging) you are wasting money and fuel buying high octane.

True.

Theres been a few studies that showed a little better mpg with higher octane... but that was about it. Maybe burns a little cleaner. Also you'll be able to throw more timing in when higher octane fuel is used.
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

I read a similar article by Kevin Cameron of Cycle World that also delt with octane, the topic here.

You will not be able to tell the difference between 89 and 91 octane gas, higher octane prevents knock or preignition which is normally only a problem in high compression performance engines which your Merc is not.

So, unless you have the extra money to spend stick with the lower octane and good luck avoiding alcohol in your gas, it will be pretty much standard in a few years everywhere.

I see that every Friday night at the local gas station, teenagers putting racing fuel in moms Buick so the can go race around, cracks me up because the car doesn't run any better at all.
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

being a mechanic in the military we deal with all types of fuel from diesel to jet, CNG to camp fuel, I know its been stated but unless your motor/vehicle is designed for high octane fuel don't use it you can actually damage it by doing it all the time as the engine needs to run hotter to be able to burn that gas efficently so your actually running less efficent when running hi test in a engine/motor not designed for it

Every once in a while is not bad because it runs hotter it cleans up alot of the deposits inside the engine, what do you think fuel injector/carb cleaner is??.. basically high octane fuel
 

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And don't get the misconception that hotter is better. Diesel is "hotter than all of them". When regular gas ignites it releases all of its energy for work right then. Higher octane fuel and up the scale to diesel burns slower to build up pressures (higher heat) in order to over come the high compression. When you get up as high as diesel the only thing firing it is heat and compression, doesn't require spark.
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

Alot of people get the misconception that higher octane fuel is better, mostly due to marketing. They call it premium to make you think you are getting better fuel. Higher octane fuel is nothing more than regular with additives to make it ignite at a higher pressures and burn slower. It is less effecient than regular. High octane fuel was and is great for engines that have super high compression ratios. The compression in these engines causes regular fuel to ignite to soon and you get predetonation. So unless your engine is 12:1 compression or you are getting predetonation (pinging) you are wasting money and fuel buying high octane.

My issue is more to do with ethanol. I know newer motors can handle it, but I have heard nothing good about ethanol. I've seen the results of fuel separation and choose to avoid it if possible. My only choice, that I am aware of, for 0% ethanol is Shell 91 octane. Will running strickly 91 cause any damage?
 

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Re: Best fuel to use?

I think you would be better off using regular Chevron w/Techron. You will pay a little more for Chevron gas, but those who use it swear by it. Myself, personally, I use COSTCO gas as it is usually the cheapest around and they buy from the local refineries. I run a Honda 225 HP motor.
AM/PM ARCO stations all have alcohol in their gas so I personally stay away from it, but there are always lines at the stations because of the cheap price and reports are that it is less efficient than regular gas w/o alcohol.
 

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Theres been a few studies that showed a little better mpg with higher octane... but that was about it. Maybe burns a little cleaner. Also you'll be able to throw more timing in when higher octane fuel is used.

I did that test with two cars and 4 tanks of gas each. Each vehicle have fuel management computers so it was pretty accurate. In both cases, I disconnected the battery to reset the computer. In one car, that required the higher octane (Acura) I did notice a small change. normal driving over the average, I got 1.5 MPG better with the higher octane. The other, it was unchanged. So, the test showed that I got 26.25 more miles with the preimum and paid $1.75 more per tank for the premium.

Now, it was not scientific becasue it was not the exact same driving, I could have done more higher speed driving with one or the other, I am sure the volume of the fuel changed as the temps were not the exact same.

As for timimg, many newer boats have an ECM and you cannot change the timimg without using a mod chip.
 
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