Best choice?

salar600

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Your opinion please.

I am use to do ski behind a Regal 2150, In-B 4.3L . As this boat is not mine, I plan to buy something not expensive. There are my choices:

Sunray Escapade 14.5, 1977 with Evin 60hp 1982

Sunray (looks like speed boat) 14.5, 1986 with Merc 65hp 197X

Are they good choice?

Which one should be the best kit for water skiing?

Should I buy the newest engine or newest boat?

Any advices are welcome cause I know nothing about boat. Mart
 

OhWellcraft

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Re: Best choice?

My advise would be to buy the newest and biggest you can afford. If buying a boat with an outboard make sure you check the transom very well. There are many excellent threads here on how to check out an older used boat. Do alot of research here and use all of the info to help you decide, right now is a good time to buy a boat with the season coming to an end. Have patience and look around buying a used boat takes time but well worth it if the boat spends more time on the water than in the shop. As you probably know a 14' is very small once you get a few skiis few buddies and a cooler thats it. If that is all you can tow or afford than so be it but bigger is always better. Also if you are a slalom skier and are pretty good you will be abel to drag a 14' boat all over the place when in a good hard turn. I can drag my 19.5' around and it is a cuddy with a 235hp on the back. I had always owned I/O in the past and when I bought this one with the outboard I wasn't really educated on how the transoms can rot out. Well after reading on this forum I figured I had better check mine out and sure enough it was history. Black mush holding my 235hp(400+ pounds) outboard on somehow. I went 20 times skiing and never even had a clue how bad and dangerous it was. So make sure you check everything out very well. I have since had to do a complete transom rebuild and it was a LOT of work but at least I now have the piece of mind that me and my family are safe. Lastly a 60-65 horse on a 14' should be enough to pull you but you aren't going to be breaking any speed records for sure. Get as much power as you can afford you will never regret having too much power, but will regret not having enough to do what you want. Good luck and do your homework
 

DaveM

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Re: Best choice?

If skiing is your game and skiing is your primary reason for getting a boat, I would encourage you to look for a inboard tournament ski boat. You will never ski behind that 21 foot pig once you experience that tiny wake of a ski boat. I know because I have been there.

I used to ski behind a friend's 20' Excel 4.3L and then bought it from her. Another friend purchased an older Ski Brendella and now that's what I ski behind. My bride now wants a 2nd boat...the Excel would be for general cruising and a tournament ski boat just for skiing. I just need to fingure out where to store 2 boats.

Something to think about.
 

OldMercsRule

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Re: Best choice?

Hmmmmmm, fer the advice yer lookin' for some more info would be helpfull.

#1 How big, (body weight), are the primary skiiers that will be usin' the ol' ski boat?

#2 Slalom I would assume?

#3 Fresh or salt water or both? If both % of salt water skiin'?

#4 Other planned uses of said boat?

#5 Rank priority of said uses.

#6 Budget?

Now based on what I do know or can guess: I weigh 210 LBS n' have skiied agressively fer 40 years + or - primarily on fresh water. I learned ta ski on me Mom's 14 foot Pacific Mariner behind a Merc 500. That lack of power taught me to drag a foot, and I prefer a ski without the rear boot, (I prolly weighed 180 lbs back in those days).

I have skiied A LOT behind a small block Chev V8 IO in a 19' boat that ran out North of 55 MPH @ WOT, n' had lots of snot outa the hole. I also skiied behind a Mastercraft a significant amount of time, that also had a lot of hair when ya put the ol' hammer down. The slightly smaller narower VERY hard wake of the Master craft was slightly preferable, and the ski boat handled in the lake much better, (turned sharper et al), then the IO, but would not have been good at all in rough water out in the Sound or a real big Lake, (like Chelan), with very large waves that happen from time to time. BTW there are much bigger Lakes with waves nearly as big as the open ocean.

I totally 100% favor outboards on fairly small light boats fer the power, wake, and handling, and versatility for a SKI boat. But I own property on a very nice 900 to 1000 acre clean fresh water lake that does not get very rough. I only ski on a mirror, ('cause I'm old n' cranky), n' I hate more then an inch of two of wake from the tow boat. I want LOTS of power outa the hole cause I'm real lazy n' want to get up in a nano second or maybe two, n' start carvin' up the ol' mirror.

Ya can find an ol' Sidewinder/Jollyroger/Fiberform et al, (my favorite would be a Fiberform as my son has), with an ol' screamin' smokin' inline6 Merc, or if yer in salt the ol' V-4 Johnnyrudes. Fer more money n' speed ya can step up to the V-6s in either the Mercs or the Johnnyrudes or could go to a Yammadinger if ya have lots of large $ to throw at this deal. Ya need power trim, n' a tachometer, n' a tripod, (IMHO), n' that can be had fer a mere $1000 to $2000 here in God's Country. Don't know as much about the quirks of the ol' Johnnyrudes or the dingers or other OBs as to which years ta look fer n' all, but I know the advice exists here on iboats which is where I would go to educate meself prior to putin' yer dollars out.

Bottom line, fer the down payment on most newer multi purpose boats ya wanna ponder ya can own the VERY BEST ski boat ya'll ever ski behind. My old girls, (Black Boat Anchors), will run away from any normal Mastercraft type ski boat(s) outa the hole (where it is important) to top speed n' handle rough water far better, n' handle nearly as well too, same fer the real powerfull I/Os, (except they will take rough water better n' may out run me once they get the ol' things wound up down the pond a bit). The wake is the REAL BIG deal if ya ever get used to an OB like I'm talkin' 'bout. N' even a REAL BIG ol' boy 300 LBS or so will pop outa the hole, (if he can hang onto the pull), and can't pull ya, (drivin' the boat), around very much if yer rollin' about 33-35 MPH, which is my sweet spot. Minimum HP fer an ol' underated inline6 Merc: 90 (at the crank), n' the Johnnyrude V-4 88 at the PROP. My overpriced $.02. JR
 

Boomyal

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Re: Best choice?

I've party skiid for many a year in and behind my 20 ft IO w/ 302 Ford. It may not have compared with one of todays ski specific boats but for all around playing, with a boat load of people, all day long, you just cannot beat a boat like this. It had lot's of room, plenty of power, could run all day on 30 gal of gas and it would still be useable in rougher water when you just wanted to play around.

I started out with an 18 ft I/O w/ inline 6 and it just wouldn't cut it. Too small and not enough poop. After two years I traded up to the one below. I've owned it since new in 1975.

There are many a brand in this style of boat. If you pick carefully, maybe take someone along who knows how to judge a boats condition, you could get a lot of boat for very reasonable.

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This 302 w/ a 2bbl would pull 4 experienced single skiers out of the water at once. Once up, I would hand a 2nd set of ropes off to a 5th skier (225 lbs) and 20 miles down the lake we would go, naturally with a bottle of iced Boones Farm tucked into our ski vests.
 

OldMercsRule

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Re: Best choice?

I admit, Booms right about the gas. Those ol' inline6s are hungry. But if ya go I/O don't ever ski behind an outboard. You then NOT like yer wake anymore!! JR
 
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