Ball Scuppers

realboats

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Hi All. I know a lot of you have a similar problem to mine. My cockpit sole is so close to the waterline that the scuppers will submerge when I walk to the stern. This results in water leaking in back through the scuppers and creating a wet, sloppy area at the back of the cockpit. It's a poor design, but boat makers realize people who fish like to be close to the water so they violate that rule about scuppers being a certain height above the waterline. <br /><br />I'm getting ready to order some stuff for my boat and plan on changing the scuppers. I've been wondering about the scuppers that consist of a floating "ping pong" type of ball in a clear housing that's open at the bottom. The theory is that when a boat at rest sinks its scuppers below the waterline, the balls will float up and seal off an opening. It works kind of like those snorkels. <br /><br />The question I have is: Do they really work? I realize they have some drawbacks such as another protruding object to smash on something, tangle lines, and other annoying problems. I also realize that seaweed or other type of small floating debri can work its way into the scupper and jam the ball. <br /><br />But with those problems aside, do these scuppers, when clean, functioning and installed properly actually work and seal any water from back-flowing into the cockpit?<br /><br />I've searched the forums for info on these devices and there's not too much available. There were a few people who said they didn't like these type scuppers but I suspect it's more because of the above mentioned problems rather than their ability to keep out water. I do have another scheme in mind to keep the water out but it would save me a lot of time if I could just find a "bolt-on" solution.<br /><br />Thanks!
 

realboats

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Re: Ball Scuppers

Ooops! I just realize what forum this is. Sorry, posted here by mistake. Can a moderator please move to a more appropriate forum?<br /><br />Thanks
 

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Re: Ball Scuppers

Boat topic.
 

HeadHunt

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Re: Ball Scuppers

I have some experience in this area. Let me start by saying the problem comes when the deck of the boat is below the waterline. Not exclusively the scupper. Some decks drain straight through to the outside through the scupper and some drain down through a hose and then through the scupper. If the deck is above the waterline then no water will come back into the deck even if the scupper is submerged unless it is the hose type and the hose fails. If your boat is the type that the deck drains straight out the back water will come into the deck if the deck gets below the waterline. All bay boats have this problem. Scout, Key West, Grady White, Carolina Skiff, Proline, Angler, Pathfinder and many others. I have a boat with this setup. I installed Rabud sea scuppers and the ball does seal the hole when the scupper is below the waterline. However, it is not 100%. The rocking of waves causes the seal to break momentarilly and some water will enter before it re-seals. When you run the boat it does exit quickly. The key is you have to buy a scupper that has the hole in the top edge. This way, when the scupper is submerged, the ball floats UP and seals the hole. If the hole is in the middle or bottom of the scupper the ball will float up and be above the hole leaving it wide open. I am curious to know what your idea is you mention.<br /><br />HeadHunt
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Ball Scuppers

I have one-way scuppers with the rubber flap valve. They sorta work, but often the flap gets snagged by a bit of weed.<br /><br />I'm toying with the idea of pushing a plastic plug into the holes on the transom, just to stop this seepage.The plug would be an easy fit, so that it would pop out if there was serious water in the boat - or it could easily be pushed out from the deck by hand if needed.<br /><br />Any comments?
 

realboats

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Re: Ball Scuppers

One thing I had in mind was to actually raise the scuppers about an inch or so above the deck. That's about all I need to drastically cut down on the problem. So now you might be wondering what I would do when it rains or I'm taking on water from splash and chop? <br /><br />Well, in addition to my main bilge pump (which very seldom turns on), I will add a cockpit drain with a smaller bilge pump in a sump just below the deck. Any rain or splash will go down the drain and be pumped out. A major problem such as a wave over the side or stern dumping hundreds of gallons of water into my cockpit would drain out the raised scuppers. When the water receeds to about an inch about the bottom of the transom, the scuppers will close but the sump will continue to drain.<br /><br />If the sump fails, the main bilge can act as a backup by pulling a plug. If there's no power, well and inch of water on the deck is more of an inconvenience than a danger, and I can alway resort to the Whale diaphragm hand pump. <br /><br />One other idea is to go with a simple 90 degree PVC elbow and a check valve following that. The elbow will be attached to the transom drain and the other end of the pipe will point straight down. Any bobbing while the boat is at rest will cause the check valve to close tight. This is similar to those scuppers that go for over a $100.00 each.<br /><br />Thanks for the info on the Rabuds. I'll devinitely check them out. I believe the flow-max brand scupper has the hole in the side? That's some excellent advice, HH. Thanks.
 

realboats

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Re: Ball Scuppers

HeadHunt, I took a quick look around with google and came up with a few discussion groups talking about the Rabuds but that's about all. I couldn't find any suppliers. Can you tell me where to find them?<br /><br />By the way, the folks who have them really seem to like them. Thanks again!
 

HeadHunt

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Re: Ball Scuppers

Yes, you have to order them through West Marine, special order group. Call Rabud and they will give you the #. www.rabud.com.<br /><br />I have been in numerous discussions about this issue. Never heard the suggestion of raising the scuppers. That seems like alot of plugging and drilling. I really do not know of a sure fire solution. It basically means your deck is not self-bailing. This is the case with most midsize/small saltwater boats. The larger boats have decks well above the waterline and no problem. I know alot of people have tried the check valves and the gate valve ideas. I think anything you do will not be 100% problem free. My next boat will definately have a high deck. Now with the heavy four strokes even some of the larger boats like Grady are sitting low. The manufacturese have to redo their molds to account for the extra weight boaters are placing on the transoms. I understand what you are saying about the extra bilge pumps but that still does not make it self-bailing. What happens when you lose power or lightening strikes. Nothing is perfect except a true self bailing deck.<br /><br />If you decide to go with the Rabuds, there is a trick. The bladder has to be inverted to make the hole be at the top. I can explain in more detail if needed.<br /><br />HeadHunt
 

Dead Eye

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Re: Ball Scuppers

I replaced the hose on my ball scuppers. My drain is often below the waterline. Talking to an "Old Salt" one day about my problem he told me when you put the new hose in put a loop in the hose and have the loop up toward the floor. It seemed to stop water from entering the cockpit and the water drains well.<br /> Dead Eye
 
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