Bail-O-Matic

[johnpnorth]

Years ago my Dad had a Scott-Atwater 33.3 HP...though the engine always ran great in the test tank it cause my Father to use a lot of fancy language...but when we really need it to start it always started and got use home.

Ahh great memories...but another cool thing this motor had was the Bail-O-Matic. I was wondering if any one has tried to make one of these and why haven't "modern" engines continued with this option?

John

 

[F_R]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Ah yes, the Bail-O-Matic. Now there is a true love-it or hate-it subject. Those 33hp motors were cool, no doubt about that. But the water pumps gave much trouble.

Actually, aside from that, those were the days of leaky wooden boats and the bailer was a nice feature. Tody's boats don't leak like the old ones did. And if they do, we have automatic electric bilge pumps. And if we don't have that feature, we still have the trusty bailing can. The bailing can also serve as a "head" in some cases.

 

[johnpnorth]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

F_R,
Thanks for your reply. The actual reason I ask is because I have a 12 foot inflatable boat with a 9.9 HP Gamefisher...since the boat sits in the water, the dingy can get about a half of foot of water in it after a good South Florida rain shower. So I have to get in the boat, pull out my small hand held bulge pump and pump and pump.

This is where, while pumping, I recalled the bail-o-matic. My Fater's boat was a Monkey Wards, 15' Sea King. It was fiberglass and when we rode over someones wake, you could feel the fiberglass floor "ripple" under your feet...like walking on a water bed!

Having the experience of doing some major work on the gamefisher, I am thinking of modifing the motor's casing and water pump tube to work the same as a bail-o-matic. If I get around to doing this project, I will keep the forum posted.

John

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

that 9.9,s cooling system can barely keep up with keeping the water going to the block let alone pumping out the boat IMHO

 

[JimS123]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

The Scotties had 2 water pumps. One for the bailer and the other for cooling water. I wouldn't mess with the impeller to "make" it a bail-o-matic. Likely way to blow a powerhead.

PS - what kind and manufacture of Gamefisher? Many of them were aircooled.

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Eska built with a Tecumseh powerhead,

All Sears Outboards with model numbers 217.586000 and above where built by Eska Outboard in 1985 - 1986. Eska closed and stopped production in 1986.
Most of those motors used a 50:1 Oil Mix. Most used Plugs J-12-Y with a gap of .030
SEARS MOTORS with Model Numbers other than 217.???????? where built by:
225.?????? Chrysler Outboard
574..????? McCullock Outboard
Parts for McCullock Outboard are No Longer Available
Some Parts for Chrysler are avalible on special order only.

http://home.earthlink.net/~brixent/index.html

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Eska built with a Tecumseh powerhead,

All Sears Outboards with model numbers 217.586000 and above where built by Eska Outboard in 1985 - 1986. Eska closed and stopped production in 1986.
Most of those motors used a 50:1 Oil Mix. Most used Plugs J-12-Y with a gap of .030
SEARS MOTORS with Model Numbers other than 217.???????? where built by:
225.?????? Chrysler Outboard
574..????? McCullock Outboard
Parts for McCullock Outboard are No Longer Available
Some Parts for Chrysler are avalible on special order only.

http://home.earthlink.net/~brixent/index.html

Well......I wouldn't say McColloch parts aren't entirely unavailable. There are people in the AOMCI who can help. I would join up with them and find the people who deal with them.

 

[JimS123]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Well......I wouldn't say McColloch parts aren't entirely unavailable. There are people in the AOMCI who can help. I would join up with them and find the people who deal with them.

The OP isn't looking for McColloch parts. He's working on a Gamefisher. He didn't ask for parts anyway.

 

[johnpnorth]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Hi Folks,
Thanks for all the information and advice, I have a Force manufactured 9.9 hp Sears gamefisher...I'll keep you posted on my Bail-O-Matic Gamefisher!
John

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

The OP isn't looking for McColloch parts. He's working on a Gamefisher. He didn't ask for parts anyway.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Not once did he mention Gamefisher until the second post.

Well, here is what I would do. This is a trick that many boaters would do and have done. If your boat has a drain plug on the back, remove it, while you're at WOT and the water will get sucked out. No bailing necessary.

No need to modify your motors

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Bail-O-Matic

Ah yes, the Bail-O-Matic. Now there is a true love-it or hate-it subject. Those 33hp motors were cool, no doubt about that. But the water pumps gave much trouble.

Actually, aside from that, those were the days of leaky wooden boats and the bailer was a nice feature. Tody's boats don't leak like the old ones did. And if they do, we have automatic electric bilge pumps. And if we don't have that feature, we still have the trusty bailing can. The bailing can also serve as a "head" in some cases.

I think part of the reason these pumps had trouble, is because they were above water, as to how they were mounted. Like, right below the powerhead. They had a couple seconds of revolution, before they got water. Of course, as we know, a couple seconds without water can and will toast an impeller. Of the few Scotts that I've worked on, the impellers were a bit "worn" on the tips, like they lacked water for a second or two. If these pump assemblies aren't perfect in condition and sealed properly, then it will be a matter of a tenth of a second or a few seconds before they get charged up with water. So, I can see a reason for "fancy language"