Another "free" Boat

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Hi All,

I haven't been on this site in a while, I formally aquired a bayliner Capri with a volvo penta I/O and recieved a lot of help on here.(my handle was "freeboats")

So, now I have another project I got for free, 22' southcoast seacraft. the cuddy has been gutted but I am told otherwise its complete.


problem is I know nothing about sailing, I am going to take a few lessons, next time i go to FL (my father in law)

is this to much boat for a novice?
 
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Re: Another "free" Boat

post some pics i can help you out with some sailing basics and such. A 22' is a perfect boat to start on i wish i started on a 22' rather then a 16'.
 

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That's a swing keel sloop, I think. 22' is not a bad size to learn on, but you may want to borrow/rent a sunfish a couple of times to get a feel for sailing (they're real easy to get back up if you roll 'em).

Make sure to watch your water and weather until you gain some experience ... 3' of chop with 30kt gusts can make for an interesting day on a sailboat if you don't know what you're doing. But if you get a few lessons, take it real easy until you get a feel for it and pay attention to weather for a while you'll have a great time. Sailing is pretty much a perpetual "learning how."

I'm kinda' jealous you got it for free. Enjoy!
 

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Re: Another "free" Boat

here is one pic, I will have more this weekend.

I have been told everything is there to sail, I just need to do the cabin.

But I do not see the boom, does that swing into the mast for storage?

I do have my eye open for a free sunfish to learn on...LOL

usually these free things end up costing a small fortune, I already took out the fence in the back yard trying to squeeze through the gate!!!!
 

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Re: Another "free" Boat

Boats wouldn't be free if they were usable.

Hard to say about the boom, when only looking at one little picture, but booms do not fit inside the mast. What about all the standing rigging, winches, lines etc.

I also wonder how much water is in the boat sitting bow down on the trailer like it is.
 

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Like Don said, can't really tell from the picture - but the mast isn't where it normally sits when the boat is on trailer. Boom typically lashes to the mast, but sometimes they get stored in the cabin. I'd go over the rigging real careful ... I can't see hardware for the stays or anything like that.

Hope it works out
 

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So I pumped out all the water and removed all the ice.

I did find the boom in the cabin, cables and pulleys look good, but I need to replace the rope(is this called a sheet?).

I have not been able to down load pics (I got a new camera..)

My big question now is the sails?I opened the bag they were stored in and spread them out,

There are 3 sails one main and 2 jibs? (One is larger than the other) and they all have holes some are much larger than a dollar.

Can I cut up the smallest sail into patches and glue them over the holes on the other 2 sails?
 

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+1 on the previous posts. I learned on a 22 Columbia, which is a considerably heavier boat. The Southcoast seems like it would be a good learning boat.

The ropes are either sheets (they pull on the lower corner of the sails), or halyards (they raise the sails).

I'd recommend getting a copy of Chapman's Piloting. It's a tremendous reference for the terminology and basic techniques you'll need.

As for the sails, the small jib is generally a "standard" jib. The larger is probably a Genoa jib for lighter winds. You really want all three if you can swing it, but I'd keep the smaller jib for learning if you've got to sacrifice one. For patching, you really need to have the patches sewn rather than just glued. The problem is, if the sails are holed, they are probably somewhat rotted and pulled out of shape. You can use them, but you'll never get good sail trim and you'll eventually want to replace them. If you google "used sails" there are several places where you can buy new and used sails in pretty reasonable condition. You'll need to measure the sails you've got, but that might be a better way to go. You can also look into getting the sails repaired by a sail loft, but it might not be cost effective.

Some additional things to check out:

You really want to make sure the standing rigging (all the cables) is in good shape. You shouldn't have any broken wires or "fishhooks". Run your GLOVED hand along the cables. If you feel snags, those indicate that some of the cable wires are broken (I learned about "gloved" the hard way myself). Also look for evidence of corrosion, especially at cable fittings and such. Failure of the "ropes" will take down a sail, but failure of the standing rig under sail can easily take down the mast... HARD. Broken mast flying around can do some serious damage both to the boat and to you and your friends.

Also, try to get the keel blocked up and check out the pivot pin for the keel and the cable and winch that raise the keel. It's really hard to get back on the trailer with a failed keel winch. Lose the pivot pin and you can easily lose the keel. Your boat will normally self right under nearly any condition, but lose the keel and it will capsize pretty easily.

Good luck. I loved sailing when I was down in the bay area (SF). It's pretty satisfying to be able to get around with just the wind.

Carl
 

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Thanks FF,

Yes, I definatly have to find a way to lift the boat and check out the keel, I hope the pin is ok cause it looks like a pain to replace.
I hope to patch the sail just to try sailing, mabey I should just buy sails and not ruin my first time out :facepalm:

you are the second person to recommend chapmans, sounds like a go to me.

gonna try jacking up off the trailor this weekend
 

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I should note that there are materials you can use to repair holes in sails (just google "sail tape"). I'm not sure how long term they are, but I'm about 10 years out of sailing, so they may be better than the were back in the 80s and 90s. If you want to just get a taste of sailing to decide how much money and effort to spend, you could probably get by with tape repairs initially. If you decide you like sailing, you'll eventually want decent sails.

With Dacron sails (which is probably what you've got), the real issue with age tends to be the stitching rather than the fabric itself. If you've just got pulled stitches, you might be able to have the sails re-stitched. Of course, if they're bad enough, you might find yourself with a whole lot of failed seams the first time you get a good gust.

I'd recommend you have your F.I.L take a look. If he's the sailboat guy, he could probably give you a good idea of what you need to do.

I got lucky with my old Macgregor and never had to pull the pin, so all I really know about it is what I've read. From that, it seems like the major issues are getting the keel supported so it doesn't drop or tilt when you pull the pin, pulling the pin if it's rusted, and getting the hole realigned if the keel shifts. Be careful underneath if you've got a steel slab keel, as these weight half a ton or more. I'd recommend googling "keel pin inspection" and "keel pin replacement". You can find some good info from several forums.

There is, by the way, a South Coast Owner's Association website at http://southcoastus.tripod.com
They have quite a bit of info on that site about your boat, and you can probably get some model-specific information.

Happy Sailing.

Carl
 

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Hey Many many Congrats for your first Sail boat. And the thing is that you got it without paying anything. You are so lucky. I have paid around $13000 for my first sailboat. But it was used boat.Now I have my own 35ft Yacht and I am so happy to sail with it.

As you are saying that you don't have any sailing experience than first you have to learn something about sailing. Please spend some time for learning sailing before planning to go anywhere this will helps you lot. You can contact some local sailor who will guide you in sailing. Don't worry Sailing is not that much tough but it is good to have some knowledge before going into the river or sea for sailing.You have now 22' sailboat and that is really good for sailing.

Enjoy sailing...............
 

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I jacked the boat up off the trailer and droped the keel,(about 4 ft) for inspection.
the cable has a few broken wires and the winch looked a little rusted, so I removed cable and winch.
the bolt plate on the winch is completetly rusted some one Macgivered a steel plate to hold it all together.
;)
I guess it works, I am going to replace the cable, and I may as well grind the keel and paint what I can get to Its got about a 1/8 inch of rust on it.
I would like to get a look at the pin but have been unable to. the nut is very rusted on one side and glassed over on the other.

I may get brave and try to remove the bolt, I would do well to make the boat safe before I start on the restoration.
 

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I agree - secure that keel and fix the rigging first. Having that puppy stuck in the "down" position is problem enough, but having it let go in the up position could wreak some havoc too.

Before you start grinding on that keel, might see if the crust is on the surface of the finish. Might try to get it off with some detergent, toilet bowl cleaner or - if you gotta' - acid. It may save you a bunch of work. (You may already be able to tell that it's not on the surface, so forgive me if you're ahead of that one)
 

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Holes might be mouse holes? they tend to chew on stored sails. Should be able to tell pretty easily, they also tend to pee where they eat. If so, need to wash them pretty thoroughly.
 

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I also have a South Coast 22, I did have to pay for mine. The swing keel pin is glassed in place, it is not readily removable. Based on my previous experience with fresh water swing keel MacGregors, I am betting the pin and keel are OK. You could use a jack to push up on the front and see if there is much movement, before deciding to take out the pin. As you have seen, it does not come out readily.
 

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Thats great advice Tacky.. Thank You, I would hate to try to pull that pin for no good reason:facepalm:
 
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