Another battery question

wgr270

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I have a 22' walkaround with a 2 stroke Suzuki 200 on it.<br />I run a gps, fishfinder, stereo, vhf.<br /><br />I have a Exide 1000 cca Starting battery.<br /><br />What should my second battery be?<br /><br />I do have a battery switch for - 1 - 2 or both.<br /><br />thank you!
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: Another battery question

A good deep cycle with as many reserve amps as you can afford. This will allow you to run your accessories all day off the deep cycle battery and still have enough power to start the boat if the main battery goes dead...
 

JB

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Re: Another battery question

Moving to Boats
 

18rabbit

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Re: Another battery question

Here is the standing recommendation for marine batteries for your type of boat:<br /><br /> “Outboard center-console boats need dual-use batteries, with one for starting and one to run the electronics.” <br /><br />If you use one starting and one deep cycle, it is a step up from this recommendation, but at a higher cost for the deep-cycle battery.<br /><br />There are three types of technology used to make lead acid batteries. Each type has it’s own charging profile. You should not mix battery types for starting and deep-cycle applications IF you are using a single battery charger for all your batteries. If you use two types of batteries, you need two chargers. Battery types:<br /><br />Wet Cell or Flooded – the same batteries technology of the critters we have in our cars. The marine version is beefier but is still the least expensive per A/Hr to own and operate. They require regular maintenance, have the highest self-discharge, but are very forgiving of charging irregularities. Charging cycles: 800-4500 (2650 average).*<br /><br />AGM – a maintenance free battery using the newest technology. It has a low self-discharge rate. Also not as sensitive to charging irregularities. The interior construction yields a battery that is not susceptible to failure with overcharging. AGM deep-cycle batteries are also great for starting applications. Batteries can be mounted sideways. Cost about twice a wet-cell per A/Hr to own and operate. Should be charged with a 3-stage charger. Charging cycles: 1000-5000 (3000 average).*<br /><br />Gel – basically a wet-cell battery with the electrolyte turned to jelly. Another sealed, maintenance free battery that can be used at any angle. Very low self-discharge rate. Most sensitive to charging profile…most battery chargers should not be used on this battery...needs a charger designed for Gels. The battery cannot be equalize due to over charging causing serious, irreparable damage. The most expensive battery per A/Hr to own…almost 4x’s that of a wet-cell. Charging Cycles: 800-2000 (1400 average).*<br /><br />* The number of charging cycles is determined from published data and reflects when the battery was used by some techno-boy under ideal conditions. Do not expect to get these numbers on your boat.<br /><br />Rickdb1boat’s advice for the biggest battery you can afford is good advice!!! It may appear a bigger battery is a wasted resource…it is not. Here’s way: the lower limit of the deep cycle battery is considered 50% of it’s 20-hr rating (A/Hrs). If you get a 100 A/Hr battery, plan on being able to use only 50% of that…50 amps, at any time…but using less is better. The life of a battery is determined, in part, by how many amps it has to cough up and how often. The deeper it is discharged, the unhappier it is, the shorter its usable life will be. The less a deep cycle is discharged, the happier it is and the longer it will last.<br /><br />This is the useful number of cycles for a high-end AGM marine deep-cycle battery (Concorde Lifeline) and a wet-cell marine deep-cycle battery (Surrette/Rolls – series 4000) based on the depth of discharge. These are 12v batteries.<br /><br />Dischg..Conc...Rolls<br />------..----...-----<br />10%.....5000...unpublished)<br />20%.....2850...2000...5000**<br />30%.....1870...1700<br />40%.....1250...1490<br />50%.....1000...1280...3200**<br />60%.....810.....1120<br />70%.....640.....960<br />80%.....500.....800<br />90%.....400.....700<br />100%...340.....590.....1500**<br /><br />**These big numbers are for the Rolls series 5000 battery. It is either 4v or 8v and expensive, but has a 15-year+ useful life. Your typical off-the-shelf 6v CG battery has a similar profile. As you can see, if you have serious deep-cycle applications you would likely bennifit from useing a “brace” of 6v golf cart batteries wired in series. They last longer, perform better, and cost the least per A/Hr in the long run.
 

kd6nem

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Re: Another battery question

Lt. Rabbit's rundown was very good. Those details really can pay off. I was about to take exception to "but at a higher cost for the deep-cycle battery." Higher INITIAL cost? Yes, for golf cart batteries. Only slightly so if straight 12V deep cycles are chosen. Rabbit's conclusion was apt: "They last longer, perform better, and cost the least per A/Hr in the long run." Of course not everyone wants or needs a brace of golf cart batteries replete with hydrocaps, but he is right they will do the job better than any compromise dual purpose battery if you can stand having the weight. Or just use a 12V deep cycle. I still fail to see any advantage whatsoever in a dual purpose battery over a deep cycle. (My opinion, OK?) Maybe they'd be OK for a starting battery, though I just use a somewhat larger 12V deep cycle. Need a deep cycle, get a DEEP CYCLE. The in between batteries will just not last as long or be as reliable, and they really aren't much cheaper initially. They will still work, but why not spend an extra $10 and get a few years more use out of them? Of course if you are in the habit of thrashing batteries and not taking care of them get an AGM and appropriate charger or else a cheap sealed battery and plan on a new one every two years. Get too cheap with batteries and you might be asking yourself if it was really worth it when it goes down and you are on the water someplace where you REALLY wish you could get moving to avoid the rocks or current, or even really have to go find a head somewhere, etc. Stranded on the water is not a nice or safe thing. And yes I also see wisdom in getting the biggest DEEP CYCLE battery that will fit and can be afforded. I would generally avoid using the "Both" position of the battery selector with mixed batteries, though. Keep them isolated from each other and you'll be fine. You don't want to be switching that selector any time the motor is running, either.
 
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