An outstanding speech (amazingly non partisan)

blacktie

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The U.S. Naval Institute 130th Annual Meeting and Annapolis Naval History Symposium (2004) <br /><br />Address by Former Secretary of the Navy John Lehman <br /><br />We are at a juncture today that really is more of a threshold, even more of a watershed, than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was in 1941. We are currently in a war, but it is not a war on terrorism. In fact, that has been a great confusion, and the sooner we drop that term, the better. This would be like President Franklin Roosevelt saying in World War II, "We are engaged in a war against kamikazes and blitzkrieg." Like them, terrorism is a method, a tool, a weapon that has been used against us. And part of the reason we suffered such a horrific attack is that we were not prepared. Let's not kid ourselves. Some very smart people defeated every single defense this country had, and defeated them easily, with confidence and arrogance. There are many lessons we must learn from this. <br />We were not prepared intellectually. Those of us in the national security field still carried the baggage of the Cold War. We thought in concepts of coalition warfare and the Warsaw Pact. When we thought of terrorism, we thought only of state-sponsored terrorism, which is why the immediate reaction of many in our government agencies after 9/11 was: Which state did it? Saddam, it must have been Saddam. We had failed to grasp, for a variety of reasons, the new phenomenon that had emerged in the world. This was not state-sponsored terrorism. This was religious war. <br />This was the emergence of a transnational enemy driven by religious fervor and fanaticism. Our enemy is not terrorism. Our enemy is violent, Islamic fundamentalism. None of our government institutions was set up with receptors, or even vocabulary, to deal with this. So we left ourselves completely vulnerable to a concerted attack. <br />Where are we today? I'd like to say we have fixed these problems, but we haven't. We have very real vulnerabilities. We have not diminished in any way the fervor and ideology of our enemy. We are fighting them in many areas of the world, and I must say with much better awareness of the issues and their nature. We're fighting with better tools. But I cannot say we are now safe from the kind of attack we saw on 9/11. I think we are much safer than we were on 9/11; the ability of our enemies to launch a concerted, sophisticated attack is much less than it was then. Still, we're totally vulnerable to the kinds of attacks we've seen in Madrid, for instance. We face a very sophisticated and intelligent enemy who has been trained, in many cases, in our universities and gone to school on our methods, learned from their mistakes, and continued to use the very nature of our free society and its aversion to intrusion in privacy and discrimination to their benefit. <br />For example, today it is still a prohibited offense for an airline to have two people of the same ethnic background interviewed at one time, because that is discrimination. Our airline security is still full of holes. Our ability to carry out covert operations abroad is only marginally better than it was at the time of 9/11. A huge amount of fundamental cultural and institutional change must be carried out in the United States before we can effectively deal with the nature of the threat. Today, probably 50 or more states have schools that are teaching jihad, preaching, recruiting, and training. We have absolutely no successful programs even begun to remediate against those efforts. <br />It's very important that people understand the complexity of this threat. We have had to institute new approaches to protecting our civil liberties-the way we authorize surveillance, the way we conduct our immigration and naturalization policies, and the way we issue passports. That's only the beginning. The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the problem, to recognize that for every jihadist we kill or capture-as we carry out an aggressive and positive policy in Afghanistan and elsewhere-another 50 are being trained in schools and mosques around the world. <br />This problem goes back a long way. We have been asleep. Just by chance about six months ago, I picked up a book by V. S. Naipaul, one of the great English prose writers. I love to read his short stories and travelogues. The book was titled Among the Believers (New York: Vintage, 1982) and was an account of his travels in Indonesia, where he found that Saudi-funded schools and mosques were transforming Indonesian society from a very relaxed, syncretist Islam to a jihadist fundamentalist fanatical society, all paid for with Saudi Arabian funding. Nobody paid attention. Presidents in four administrations put their arms around Saudi ambassadors, ignored the Wahhabi jihadism, and said these are our eternal friends. <br />We have seen throughout the last 20 years a kind of head-in-the-sand approach to national security in the Pentagon. We were comfortable with the existing concept of what the threat was, what threat analysis was, and how we derived our requirements, still using the same old tools we all grew up with. We paid no attention to the real nature of this emerging threat, even though there were warning signs. <br />Many will recall with pain what we went through in the Reagan administration in 1983, when the Marine barracks were bombed in Beirut-241 Marines and Navy corpsmen were killed. We immediately got an intercept from NSA [National Security Agency], a total smoking gun from the foreign ministry of Iran, ordering the murder of our Marines. Nothing was done to retaliate. Instead, we did exactly what the terrorists wanted us to do, which was to withdraw. Osama bin Laden has cited this as one of his dawning moments. The vaunted United States is a paper tiger; Americans are afraid of casualties; they run like cowards when attacked; and they don't even bother to take their dead with them. This was a seminal moment for Osama. <br />After that, we had our CIA station chief kidnapped and tortured to death. Nothing was done. Then, we had our Marine Colonel [William R.] Higgins kidnapped and publicly hanged. Nothing was done We fueled and made these people aware of the tremendous effectiveness of terrorism as a tool of jihad. It worked. They chased us out of one place after another, because we would not retaliate. <br />The Secretary of Defense at the time has said he never received those intercepts That's an example of one of the huge problems our commission has uncovered. We have allowed the intelligence community to evolve into a bureaucratic archipelago of baronies in the Defense Department, the CIA, and 95 other different intelligence units in our government. None of them talked to one another in the same computerized system. There was no systemic sharing. Some will recall the Phoenix memo and the fact that there were people in the FBI saying, "Hey, there are young Arabs learning to fly and they don't want to learn how to take off or land. Maybe we should look into them." It went nowhere. <br />We had watch lists with 65,000 terrorists' names on them, created by a very sophisticated system in the State Department called Tip-Off. That existed before 9/11, but nobody in the FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] bothered to look at it. The FAA had 12 names on its no-fly list. The State Department had a guy on its list named Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He was already under indictment for his role in planning the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center The State Department issued him a visa. I could go on and on. <br />Two big lessons glare out from what our investigations have discovered so far. Number one, in our government bureaucracy today there is no accountability. Since 9/11-the greatest failure of American defenses in the history of our country, at least since the burning of Washington in 1814-only one person has been fired. He is a hero, in my judgment: [retired Vice] Admiral John Poindexter. He got fired because of an excessive zeal to catch these *******s. But he was the only one fired. Not any of the 19 officers lost their jobs at Immigration for allowing the 19 terrorists-9 who presented grossly falsified passports-to enter the country. One Customs Service officer stopped the 20th terrorist, at risk to his own career. Do you think he's been promoted? Not a chance. <br />That is the culture we've allowed to develop, except in the Navy. We've all felt the pain over the last year of the number of skippers who have been relieved in the U.S. Navy: two on one cruiser in one year. That's a problem for us. It's also something we should be mightily proud of, because it stands out in stark contrast to the rest of the U.S. government. In the United States Navy, we still have accountability. It's bred into our culture And what we stand for here has to be respread into our government and our nation. <br />Actions have consequences, and people must be held accountable. Customs officer Jose Melendez-Perez stopped the 20th terrorist, who was supposed to be on Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. Probably because of the shorthanded muscle on that team, the passengers were able to overcome the terrorists. Melendez-Perez did this at great personal risk, because his colleagues and his supervisors told him, "You can't do this. This guy is an Arab ethnic. You're racially profiling. You're going to get in real trouble, because it's against Department of Transportation policy to racially profile" He said, "I don't care. This guy's a bad guy. I can see it in his eyes." As he sent this guy back out of the United States, the guy turned around to him and said, "I'll be back." You know, he is back. He's in Guantanamo. We captured him in Afghanistan. Do you think Melendez-Perez got a promotion? Do you think he got any recognition? Do you think he is doing any better than the 19 of his time-serving, unaccountable colleagues? Don't think any bit of it. We have no accountability, but we're going to restore it. <br />The other glaring lack that has been discovered throughout the investigation is in leadership. Leadership is the willingness to accept the burdens and the risks, the potential embarrassment, and the occasional failure of leading men and women. It is saying: We will do it this way. I won't let that guy in. I will do this and I'll take the consequences. That's what we stand for here. That's what the crucible of the U.S. Naval Academy has carried on now since 1845, and what the U.S. Naval Institute has carried on for 130 years and hasn't compromised We all should be very proud of it. We need leadership now more than ever. We need to respread this culture, which is so rare today, into the way we conduct our government business, let alone our private business. <br />Having said all this, I'm very optimistic. We have seen come forward in this investigation people from every part of our bureaucracy to say they screwed up and to tell what went wrong and what we've got to do to change it. We have an agenda for change. I think we're going to see a very fundamental shift in the culture of our government as a result of this. I certainly hope so. <br />This should be a true wake-up call. We cannot let this be swept under the rug, put on the shelf like one more of the hundreds of other commissions that have gone right into the memory hole. This time, I truly believe it's going to be different.
 

blacktie

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Re: An outstanding speech (amazingly non partisan)

read all 'bout it boomyal, thanks though. at first I found him to be somewhat comical, but the more I read, the more he scares the hell out of me.
 

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A common understanding of our enemy should be required of us all, and this speech does a good job of laying it out. I suspect that a lot of our partisan differences arise from differing perceptions of who the enemy is and what motivates him/her,and how we arrived at this point in time. Fundamentally, I think most Democrats believe our enemy can be managed, and most Republicans think that defeat is the only way to manage this enemy.
 

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Yea, we have been laughing about the sensitive remark as well. I guess that means we drop jars of vaseline, before we shove missles up their rears.
 

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well stated SCO...I think that 99% of us in the western world (reps and dems alike) are not capable of understanding what motivates our enemies (in this case, fundamental Islamic terrorists), just as most of the world had a hard time coming to grips with what could have motivated Germany to commit genocide during WWII. Thankfully, most people cannot come up with any scenarios that justify genocide...unfortunately, a few do.
 

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That was an outstanding speech, full of lots of important insights, but I am not surprised that not many of the responders seem to have read it, or at least understood it.
 

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> That was an outstanding speech, full of lots of important insights, but I am not surprised that not many of the responders seem to have read it, or at least understood it.
I guess we all are just not urbane, erudite, progressive nor diverse enough, huh PW2? :rolleyes:
 

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i'll bite pw2...i will not presume to grasp what you drew from this speech, so what did you "hear" when you read it. to break the ice, i'll go first.<br /><br />as I read this I drew many conclusions that I had already suspected. Nearly all of these transcend partisan lines, because all of these are a culmination of several administrations, that included both republican and democratic presidencies.<br /><br />1: The Saudis are not our allies, because their state tolerates radical islamic religion.<br />2: We are still too stuck in "political correctness" to declare war on all people of a particular religion.<br />3: Our government was not prepared to analyze and assess an enemy who was not sponsored by a defined nation.<br />4: We have developed policies through litigation of minorities rights that have compromised the security of our nation.<br />5: The bureaucracies of intelligence and security in our country have grown so large that they cannot effectively communicate and react to threats.<br />6: When we do not retaliate with a swift and mighty military response to terrorism, the enemy will grow stronger, and the terrorism will grow worse.<br />7: We are still vulerable to terrorist attack.<br /><br />All of these conclusions can be readily supported by the text in the speech...<br /><br />So, I ask of any thread participants (not just PW2),<br /><br />What did you "hear" when you read the above speech?
 

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Ok,<br /><br />"Terrorism" is not the enemy. Radical Islam is the enemy, and terrorism is one technique they use.<br /><br />While there are indeed times for military action, military action alone will not defeat this enemy. It is going to take a coordinated effort of working with our allies, and all sorts of approaches, to defeat this enemy (hence the "sensitive" approach) We need to get the jihadist's from teaching it in the schools of the mid east, etc.<br /><br />The war in Iraq was a distraction on this war, and not part of it. With occasional exceptions, like Afghanistan, there are no good, or effective, military targets, and we are going to have to find alternate methods of combating this foe. And win.<br /><br />Which means changing the very structure of our intelligence system, and all sorts of other fundamental structural changes within our defense department and homeland security departments.<br /><br />And police actions, and diplomacy, and all manner of other options in addition to any military solutions.<br /><br />In a word, being "sensitive" to our allies and approaching it on a united front toward a common goal wherever possible.
 

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1st lesson, can't count on allies...Saudi was one we have been trying to appease for years. Extending that lesson to others, we count on France or Germany or Solviets either because of their own anti USA self interests, and we can't sit on our hands while the enemy gains strength. <br /><br />2nd, too stuck in political correctness to effectively target the enemy here in the USA. Big problem, and right now I don't think Dem or R has will or plan to address this. <br /><br />3rd, not fighting the typical war...no rising sun on the tailfeathers of the attacking planes. This is where Iraq comes in. We have to change the middle east, and stop the tide of this radical islam movement in a broad front. We have to keep Pakistan most immediately from ending up like Iran. This is debatable wrt Iraq, but had we not invaded, as we pursued the war elsewhere, Iraq always would have been a marshalled force against us. We had the opportunity to prevent that so we did. <br /><br />Fourth: Appeasment only encourages this enemy, so, lets not do that. We can't avoid this fight.<br /><br />Fifth: This is a dangerous time and a dangerous enemy. We cannot arrogantly think we can manipulate them or avoid the fight. We can't expect our current 60's based culture of guilt and selfishness , selfrighteousness and peace to have any meaning to them. All they know is that the Western culture is coming at them like a stripper popping out of a cake at a Pentecostal prayer meeting. Our complete understanding of what the world is, and should be as specified by the Hollywood elite is just after dinner smoking room elitest prattle to them.
 

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Having fought terror in the middle east for well over a decade.I have learned a thing or 2 about these radicals.<br />They are not a very few extremists as many here still think.They are the representatives of the masses who are poorly educated and thoroughly impregnated with hatred for anything that is not fundamentalist islam.They are the representatives of the people that danced in the streets after hearing of 9-11.<br />It is impossible to have a nuanced point of view or "understanding" these people.Anybody who thinks that these radicals can be reasoned with,is only showing signs of weakness and will be disrespected by our enemy for showing weakness.We cannot afford this luxury. The only way to win this war is by showing one united (not politically divided)front and a willingness to fight as mean and meaner than these extremists.The arab street must shudder with fear for the american warrior/soldier.Right now arab children are told stories about fundamentalist islamic heroes.We must change this to stories about how the americans came and destroyed the fanatics. Only then will this disease of terror abate.
 

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Thanks to the three of you for responding. This is an actual debate of an issue...non-partisan, and free from soundbites. it is the world we live in today, and the world that most of us have lived in for the last 2 decades. hopefully, with some strong american will and resolve, we can eliminate this enemy so it will not be the world we live in 20 years from now.
 

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Understanding the speach is easy. Agreeing with it is obvious to me and almost obvious to most.<br /><br />If you understand and agree with it, where does it leave us?<br />Are we winning or what? Or is this an explanation as to why we're going to loose this war?<br /><br />My opinion based on all things that this speach points out is that this country is barely winning this war at home and loosing it bigtime abroad.
 

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I agree with your opinion on it at the end skinnywater...<br /><br />where does it leave us?...<br />we need a wakeup call. we will not start winning until we have the desire to sacrifice both at home (with some policy/internal changes), and abroad (with troops). we will lose this war if we try to accomodate all political angles here (placate the UN, placate anti-war activist groups at home, secure the homefront without one iota of inconvenience to travellers).<br /><br />here's the ironic part...whether any of us want to believe it or not, this speech, and the facts in the matter point out that we did not start this war. First "shots" (and until recently, all shots) were taken by the enemy over 20 years ago. So, pulling out of the war is not an option. Fundamental Islamic Extremists are going to come after us whether we participate in a conflict or not. If we can all realize this, I hope the American people will do whatever it takes to eliminate this threat.
 

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I think we will win, but the wake up call that will finally galvanize us to action has not yet arrived. I am surprized that the WTC was not enough.
 

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we will not start winning until we have the desire to sacrifice both at home (with some policy/internal changes), and abroad (with troops).
I'm glad to learn there are others that think we're not winning.<br />While it's bad not to be winning, it's good to keep it in perspective.<br />The next year is going to tell a lot.
 

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we are not ready to win yet. this has less to do with politics (right or left), and more to do with our will as a people. we won WWII when the american people decided in a nearly unified manner that we could sacrifice at home : food and goods rationing, travel restrictions, radical cultural change (women in the workplace), and that we could sacrifice abroad by sending nearly an entire generation of men to go, fight, and possibly die for that cause. I too, am surprised that 9/11 was not enough. I suppose there are many that think that the terrorists will just go away, if we just leave them be. Rolmops points out the flaws in this type of thinking. Laugh at me (or think I am a nut) all you want, but I am quite certain that events over the last 20 years, and 9/11 were the opening shots in a war the likes of which our world has not seen in many hundreds of years. I fear that this is the biggest of big ones. And regardless of who is in office later this year, or four years from now, this will still be going on.
 

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WRT the WTC not being enough, is that because many think that this was just a fringe group of extremeists that got in a lucky shot?? That is the question allright, and now the left thinks we are building them up with all the attention?? I fear this division of thought may keep us divided even if we are hit again. We've got to come to a common understanding of the problem we face as a people. If we can do that we can also agree on a plan of action.
 
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