aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

kjpfish

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hi, i have a 21 foot wellcraft with two saddle tanks. they are both aluminum and one has a hole rotted in it. should i replace it with aluminum or plastic tank. thanks
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

If it were my choice, I would go with Plastic or a composite. Any metal in a marine enviorment, will "eventually" give future problems.
 

steve forsythe

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

How did an aluminum tank get a hole "rotted" in it?? Did i miss something?
 

kjpfish

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

when i bought the boat last year the fuel gauge sending unit had rusted and fallen apart, it looks like one of the rusty screws sat on the bottom of the tank and ate thru it. the manufactures tag says aluminum and it is non magnetic but there is a hole with rust around it and a crappy jb weld job done by previous owner. thanks
 

harrison20002

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

I'd like to keep this post going. I have 4 six gallon tanks, one plastic and three made of aluminum. The plastic tank never gives me any trouble but I've had to clean several of the metal ones. Any draw backs from going to all plastic? Thanks again, Hal
 
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DJ

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Can't think of any-just make sure nothing rubs up against them. Also, be careful fueling. Always put the portable plastic tanks on the ground before you put in the fuel nozzle. If they are built in, make sure they're grounded.<br /><br />Plastic tanks tend to build up static electricty. You know what spark plus gas fumes equals!
 

harrison20002

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Yeah, about 8 sticks of powder per gallon. Thats one of the lessons I really remembered from my Coast Guard classes. Best course I ever took. Thanks Hal
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

How do you GROUND a "PLASTIC" tank! It is impossible!Plastic is a non-conducter.
 
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DJ

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If the tank has a gage there will be an aluminum plate that the gage wires go to. Or, there will be a provision for adding an electrical gage. Either way, if it is designed to be a permanent mount there has to be a provision for grounding.<br /><br />If it is a portable, it may not have provisions for an electrical gage. You ground the portables by placing them on the ground or dock before you refill them. It's important that the portables are sitting on the same thing that the gas pumps are on. Whether it be concrete, wood, etc.
 
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DJ

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Pursuit,<br /><br />Another thing. Static electricity does not always act like we think that AC or DC current does.<br /><br />Any tank that is meant to be mounted will have a tab somewhere to attach a wire to that goes to the negative side of the battery.
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

djohns19 Take a look at an entire marine fuel system. If you have a poly or plastic tank. There are 2 possibilities:1. It may have a float type fuel gauge(no electrical connection)2. It may have a fuel gauge sending unit that sends the level to the dash mounted gauge(That is electrical! and MUST be grounded). If the tanks are portable and plastic since plastic is a non-conducter, The plastic "CAN NOT BE Grounded). How do you ground a plastic tank to a wooden dock,when the gas pump is 60'away attached to a fill hose. Yes the pump is grounded, but when you touch the fuel nozzle to the "Plastic" tank nothing can happen...On the boat Filler hose "rubber", Vent hose "rubber", the entire system is isolated from ground except for the sending unit.
 
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DJ

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Pursuit,<br /><br />Don't want to argue but, I've seen a boat blow up and I'm not going to have it happen to me. Or do I want it to happen to anyone else. These precautions may be overkill but they're better than kill.<br /><br />The fuel dispensing nozzles (whether rubber or not) are grounded internally to the pump which IS attached to the dock either by being bolted or by the pipe delivering the fuel. We are talking about miniscule amounts of amperage here. We want to spread it out as much as possible.<br /><br />The idea is to make the fuel tank one piece electrically with the boat. You're right, plastic is not a conductor. That's why it builds up static electricity internally from the fuel sloshing around in it. Since it is not a conductor with the boat, the static electricity jumps to the first ground it sees-the fuel nozzle.<br /><br />If you look at factory tank installations, this is what you will probably see:<br /><br />1. The tank is grounded itself to the battery either via a fuel gage or a seperate wire.<br /><br />2. The deck fuel filler receptacle is grounded to the boat battery and/or the tank.<br /><br />By all rights, one should, and I do, use a jumper wire from the boat fuel fill to the gas pump or something metal on the dock. If you've ever watched an airplane take on fuel that's exactly what they do. Why, because the airplane is insulated from the tarmac by it's rubber tires. Boats are a little different because they are usually sitting in water, which is a conductor, and so is the dock. <br /><br />I'm not taking any chances.<br /><br />They go into great detail on this issue in USCG courses.
 

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

djohns19. I agree with some of what you are saying. But you mixed apples & oranges. The guy asked for comments on plastic vs. metal. But then you went into portable vs. built in. One should follow all of the appropiate instructions and guide lines for all phases of Boating. i.e Safty 1st! ALWAYS!! and yes I am aware of what the USCGA teaches. I wish it were MANDATORY for all boaters to attend.<br />END OF DISSCUSSION Have A Happy New Year!!
 

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Actually your both right.. djohns19 dont get so upset..Even thou the other guy said "END OF DISCUSSION" which is wrong because you have not covered all the bases..<br /><br />I could give a little insite to this subject since I teach "HOT REFUELING" of aircraft. Iv been a aircraft mechanic for many years and deal with military aircraft everyday which we fuel while they are running. You better ground them or your dead!! Winter is worst for "static electricity". If you have ever seen "St. Elmo's Fire" it will scare the sh__ out of you!! Iv walked up to aircraft and touched them before grounding them and have been knocked on the ground. <br /><br />Somthing was said about hoses being grounded internally to the pump..Most are not. So IF you really want to be safe GROUND IT.. The risk is small so most automotive fueling systems do not provide for grounding.."depends on the state". Now also what was said was it depends on whether its portable or plastic or whatever..The risk is STILL THEIR..but is concidered small. <br />Actually the worst time to refuel is during the winter months..Remember running your feet thru the carpet and getting shocked.."not all the time is it". Running a comb thru your hair..And your hair stands up.. "not all the time is it".<br /> <br />So their is more to the discussion about refueling and I just wanted to bring up a few "Little" points that not all has been said so far. <br /><br />You want to take all precautions..Please do. Its you and your familly and maybe mine.<br /><br />Happy New Years guys!! Lets have fun and be SAFE..cause you can NEVER be too safe.
 

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

TRENT!! You are getting this discussion totally out of hand. Yes, I know about "HOT REFUEL" Been on many ships AC's LPH's LHD's AirCapables on & on.I have done "HIFR" and Vertrep,and I've seen people knocked on their butt from stat-elec. You "NEVER HOT REFUEL A BOAT". Remember close all hatches.etc,etc; Then open all etc,etc,Blowers . Keep in mind the original question. All he wanted to know was whether to go with Plastic or Alum.My original ans. was that Plastic will be better than metal in a marine enviorment.<br />Issue No.2 I asked where I could get an AC/DC converter. Not ,is it legal to operate a radio on shore. I didn't say why I will use it.
 

Trent

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Out of hand...NAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa<br /><br />Opinions Vary bud!<br /><br />Chill out and have fun!! :) <br /><br /><br />But one question? Why do manufactures at least 95 percent of them install metal tanks?? Dont get pissie..Just asking<br /><br />PS You can get a converter at your local parts house.. <br /><br />Im just discussing not getting pissie..Chill we are here to enjoy everyones company and learn..I learn somthing everyday..Iv even learned from you guy.. :)
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Good Question. Probably cost, and not enough people complaining about the tanks rotting out. However many alum tanks are now anodized which will protect them for awhile. A good Poly tank in the range of 40 gals for a belly mount cost about $300.00 By the time the tank rots out you are out of warranty.It's kind of planned obsolesence.<br /> HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR!!!
 

Trent

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Would you think that its cheaper to make a plastic tank than a metal tank??? :confused:
 

Pursuit2150

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Re: aluminum or plastic fuel tank?

Trent. No because you can bend,form,stamp metal etc into any size necessary. But The composites are molded, and the molds are super expensive. Most Good tanks are seamless, and not in too many sizes.
 
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