Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

Realgun

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The Ranger Supercrab got 11 MPG towing, on Gas but with E-85 I got 13 Mpg.<br /><br />I never had any issue with E-85 summer or Winter.<br />E-85 seemed to have more ommph but the Unladed mileage was 19 Mpg Gas and 16 Mpg on E-85.<br />That Pickup was an E-85 Vehicle. And I tried to get from Albuquerque NM to St.Cloud MN on E-85.<br />I woulda made it too if I had been able to get Ethanol in all places Nebraska!!!<br /><br />Fact is that E-85 is sold in only 1 station here and is 10 cents higher that what got me into a bigger truck or was it the kids?<br /><br />So I got a Ford F-150 SuperCrew 5.4L and got 15 MPG non towing but 13 while towing.<br /><br />Then I decided I wanted a smaller truck but had to have 4 doors and good milage. I am very happy.<br /><br />Unloaded the Colorado I got gets 22-24 mpg<br />I get 17 mpg while towing. Ok 16.7 Mpg.
 

KM2

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

Today E85 is about 50 cents less than unleaded at most places here. So financially its a small win or break even. Support local farmers, import less arab oil and cleaner air are big wins in my book.<br /><br />My next tow vehicle will be a flex or diesel. MN has E85 all over the place. <br /><br /><br />E85 is 105+ octance so when a flex fuel vehicle adjusts to the high octane you get a little boost in horsepower. <br /><br />A flex fuel marine engine would be nice, since we still have carbs on many boats I'm guessing it will be a long time coming!
 

Silvertip

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

The problem with E-85 is not that carbed engines can't run on it -- they can certainly be tuned to be just fine. The problem is that E-85 is corrosive so its the metals used in the fuel systems, including the fuel tanks, fittings, lines, etc., that can be damaged from using this fuel. Gaskets also need to be able to withstand this fuel. I've heard of folks running E-85 in newer non-E-85 vehicles with no apparent ill effects.
 

RubberFrog

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

Sounds a lot like the problems switching from leaded to unleaded. Eentually there won't be any non e-85 vehicles.
 

Silver/Fish

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

What other options are out there? E-85, Bio-diesel or Hybrid....<br /><br />Also, a local news report told a story of the first ALL Bio-diesel research vessel on the great lakes...A sign of things to come???
 

beezee28

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

Vegetable oil, bio-diesel, hydrogen car... and a few other inventions that is being held back. Would like to see the govt. make inquiring into this alternate fuel.
 

craze1cars

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

E85 is only cheap at the pump becuase of governemnt subsidies. It is very expensive to produce and there isn't enough capacity. I don't believe it will gain a strong long-term foothold.<br /><br />I wrote my essay on this topic in your "YOUZ" post....didn't see this one until later! Maybe should have put it here....I see no reason to copy it however.
 

KM2

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

I agree that ethanol isn't going to fix our energy problems. I do see it playing in our energy needs in the next 10-15 years along with hybrids, bio diesel and coal to diesel fuels.
 

Realgun

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

As for fuel economy/alternative fuels....here's some glimpses into my train of thought.<br /><br />I don't burn fuel just for the sake of burning fuel, despite my probably giving that impression in the earlier post. In fact, I consider myself a bit of a miser/environmentalist, but I'm not wacko about it...I heat my home with geothermal, flourescent lights all over the place, I recycle everything I can, and I often ride my bike to work. But I love high powered vehicles and they drink COPIOUS amounts of fuel, and I'm willing to pay the price for it because there is no viable alternative right now and I refuse to give up my hobbies. At the same time, I am waiting with open checkbook in hand for a viable option to gasoline/oil to get a foothold on doing what I need it to do. BUT...it's not here yet. Are there options? Very few. Feasible for MY uses? No. I know of no alternative fuel boats, snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, or race cars. A few passenger cars, and we're now at the very beginning of a much needed revolution in the world's transportation industry.<br /><br />Biodiesel: Hardly anywhere to fill up around here and anywhere else, and I'm not willing to do a whole bunch of legwork to find fuel when my gasoline powered vehicles can be filled at any street corner in the country.<br /><br />Electric: Not a solution....that just shifts the power supply to a different location. I'll relieve pressure on oil dependency, yes. It will also add pressure to our (United States) already overloaded power plants and distribution system. We already have rolling blackouts in many places in summer due to A/C load, can you imagine what would happen if at the end of every rush hour we all had to plug in our cars? Plus a huge amount of our electricity is produced by burning coal. The process is getting cleaner every year, but it's hardly a truly "clean" solution.<br /><br />Hybrid vehicles: That's nice they offer a 20% improvement in fuel economy over a conventional gas engine'd car, but they still burn a lot of oil. Hybrids will be a short term blip in automotive history. My prediction is that they'll come on strong over the next couple years, and probably be phased out in a decade or so when something better comes along.<br /><br />E-85 and other ethanol blends: Too expensive. Sure, at the pump it's fairly cheap from a consumer standpoint. But that's only because of government subsidies. You can't have a competitive product based on governent subsidies. It's much cheaper to process dead dinosours into fuel than it is to process corn into fuel. And there isn't enough capacity for it to really make a difference<br /><br />The internal combustion engine: Obsolete to the n'th degree. It is absolutely insane that our primary mode of transportation in 2006 is still based on the internal combustion engine. Been running them for the past 100 years. Look at how fast computer technology has advanced. Look at space travel, look at advancements in medicine, communication, etc. Yet here we are using the same basic technology that was designed when the world was getting around via horse & buggy. Why? It's cheap and easy to fuel. Still is, and will be for a long time to come. Honda CVCCs in the 70's were getting 35 to 40 mpg, Honda CRX's were pulling 40 to 45 mph in the 80's. I owned a 1981 VW Fox that got 40 on the highway. And here we are almost 30 years later and everyone thinks these hybrids getting 40 to 50 mpg is an actual improvement. 30 YEARS?!!?!?!?! By now we should be at 100 mpg. So I'm basically considering hybrids a giant step BACKWARDS.<br /><br />Fuel cells: This holds some serious promise. I'm banking on some method of fuel cell propulsion in my lifetime to replace the internal combustion engine. How to fuel them is the big question. All seem to be looking toward hydrogen for now, but some at natural gas, etc. Will be fun to see how it all works out. The other great news about fuel cells is it will reach far beyond the transportation industry. I can't wait for the day I go to my local Home Depot and plunk down $14,000 for an "energy module" for my home....sort of like an air conditioning unit that sits outside the house emmitting a gentle hum while providing all the power needs for my home for the next 25 years. No more power grid, no more gas lines, you name it. When it runs out of juice, you go buy a new one. I think we will see such a thing in my lifetime and I'm looking forward to it. When that happens, what will happen to the price of electricity? People and businesses will start abandoning their reliance on the power grid, fewer customers to pay expenses to keep the plants running. SKYROCKETING electricity costs. All while the power modules are getting cheaper every year as technology improves. Then one day the power grid system will suddenly be obsolete.<br /><br />Same sort of thing will hit the oil industry. When oil gets too expensive and technology allows a feasible alternative for transportation, people will stop buying oil. Supplies will reach massive peaks. Prices will plummett. Gas stations will close. This will drive up demand for the alternative fuel and the vehicles that use it. And eventually oil will be a lubricant only, and no longer a source of fuel.<br /><br />Our governement is all up in arms about the price of gas now and doing investigations to determine to cause. What a JOKE! Do they not realize that EVERYTHING is driven by supply and demand. This is where my comment came from about $3 gas in the US still being relatively cheap. Even at $3 per gallon, demand hasn't dropped one tiny bit. Because it's STILL cheap fuel. We really do need $5 to $6 per gallon to cause an actual drop in demand, and to cause both private industries and governments to make that last big push toward finding us the alternative we need. And I'm very confident in saying that this all will happen.<br /><br />The big question is, how long will it take?<br /><br />And somebody here referenced that the governments have no incentive to get price of oil down because of all the extra taxes they're collecting as a result of the higher prices. I tend to disagree on that. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the United States, we pay about 45 cents per gallon in federal taxes. It's a fixed dollar amount, so we are not paying a percentage of the sale. Whether gas is $1 or $5 per gallon, the feds still get their 45 cents. Some of our STATES are getting a windfall due to sales taxes, and each state is different, but I don't think that has any bearing on the federal government. Other countries I'm sure are TOTALLY different. Just a thought there....<br /><br />End of essay. Now everyone can tear me to pieces. Have fun!
Thankyou Craze1cars<br /><br />I had to move this here its to cool not to.
 

87sylvanv171

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

I used to work for a GM dealership as a salesman. Be carefull with the newer gmc/chevy trucks. Some people have had a few problem when switching from the e-gas to regular unleaded. We had one truck that was in and out of our servie department a few times for issues with the fuel injectors. Just thought that i would pass that along.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Alternative fuel maybe? Gas is High!

Switching from E-85 to Regular??? I could see the problem going the other way since E-85 is 85% ethanol its a terrific fuel system cleaner and if there were any fuel system deposits it could loosen them and clog injectors. Don't see any relationship going from E-85 to regular though. Co-incidence maybe?
 
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