(Almost) Time to Simplify

JoLin

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I was working when I bought the Four Winns 4 years ago and comfortable having marinas take care of everything. I had the income to support it. So much for my 'plan.' Within a year and a half I'd gotten very sick, had to stop working (4 years earlier than planned) and was suddenly living off my retirement IRA and Disability. Ouch.

The other day I had to tell Linda that Escapade is living on borrowed time and we have to start window shopping for a replacement. I can afford one more season before we settle on a boat that I can store at home during the off season, and (mostly) work on myself. That means either an outboard; or a single engine inboard or I/O with GREAT engine access.

The replacement boat will be 10-15 years old and I'm struggling with the need for mechanical access/simplicity vs the amenities we like (and we actually use) on Escapade. Flush head with holding tank, 2 separate sleeping areas and a dinette that we DON'T need to break down for sleeping. Much as I'd love to buy an outboard powered walk-around cuddy (my first boat was a 21' ProLine) I won't find anything like that in less than about 26 feet. Those boats are expensive and almost always have twin engines.

It's likely that I'll wind up with another express cruiser. There are things about them I don't like, but for the type of boating we do they're a reasonably good fit. They're very popular around here and there's no shortage in the used market. A 26 ft Bayliner Ciera from the early 2000's has a wide beam, lots of cabin room, a single engine and great access to it. I'm using that as my basis for comparison going forward. I don't have an issue with Bayliners. I've had occasion to get up close and personal with several over the last few years, and the newer ones aren't bad by a long shot. Bayliner is very creative in the way they use available space.

Short of starting a Bayliner debate (let's avoid that, okay?), whadda you guys think? Any examples of other brands/types that haven't occurred to me?
 

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Might find a good used Chap as well. Those are fine boats.
 

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When I consider aging and boating I would be thinking of outboard. I am 32 and am sore after an hour in the engine compartment of my express cruiser. You may not get everything that you want but I bet you will be able to use it longer than an express.
 

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Off the top of my head I can't think of a lot lf boats that for your criteria. Look into a Larson 25' from the mid 90s maybe? Single I/O, dinette, two sleeping areas and trailerable. Most manufacturers went away from separate dinettes in that size range as I'm sure your aware.
 

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Jolin, first and most importantly, best wishes for better health.

Secondly, glad you are able to still pursue your passion for boating. Cheers.
 

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Good luck with your health and future boating. I can think of a 1/2 dozen boats that might work, but not going to comment this time. I'll wait until you find what you like and add my 2 cents then. I have travelled down a similar road already in my boating days (no health issues yet), and am glad we got out of any type of pocket/express cruiser. Won't ever go back to one.
Enjoy your search !!
 

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Off the top of my head I can't think of a lot lf boats that for your criteria. Look into a Larson 25' from the mid 90s maybe? Single I/O, dinette, two sleeping areas and trailerable. Most manufacturers went away from separate dinettes in that size range as I'm sure your aware.

Funny you'd mention that Larson. My friend's 1992 Hampton is one of my all time favorite pocket cruisers. I'd buy one in a minute if the newest ones out there weren't about 20 years old and hard to find. As you noted, Larson's replacement (the Cabrio line) went the way of the rest. More style, much less utility. Damn shame.

As for the 24' SeaRays, Chaps and the rest, btdt. Previous boat was a 1999 Chris Craft 240 EC. Great powerplant, amazing engine access, excellent rough water manners... and an ergonomic disaster for anyone over 50 y.o. and 5' tall. I slept in the rear berth (as I do on my FW). I was fine once I was in it, but I almost needed a crane to get me out of it. No fun when you're trying to quickly get to the head in the middle of the night (as us oldsters usually do) :)

I'd love an outboard boat if I can find the right combo. I'll be checking them out, just not real hopeful.

Thanks for the good wishes- unfortunately, my condition will only deteriorate from here. Just trying to stay in the game for as long as I can, and don't we all?
 

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??

"2002 SeaRay 240 Sundancer
5.0L MerCruiser MPI (335 Hrs), V-Berth Convertible Dinette & Aft Cabin, Vaccuflush Head w/Holding Tank,"

2002 240DA

The standard head on the 240 is a porti-potty the upgrade was a real head. Some have them some do not.
 

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The standard head on the 240 is a porti-potty the upgrade was a real head. Some have them some do not.

True. I don't need a Vacuflush, though I certainly wouldn't refuse a boat because of it. I actually prefer the manual pump head I have now. Super simple to fix. The 'must have' is a real holding tank. My Chris had a MSD... that's a permanently installed porta-pottie with a deck pumpout. Absolute worst system I can think of, and not uncommon in that size class. Imagine having a whopping 2 gallons waste capacity, and needing to go to a pump-out station to empty it, besides.

:facepalm:

Somebody deserves to hang for that idea...
 
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Keep in mind the layout he is looking for doesn't fit the standard pocket cruiser layout. Back in the 80s there were a lot of 25-27'ers with vberth beds, dinettes and aft cabin beds. Somewhere in the 90s they all pretty much did away with this for a vberth dinette and an aft cabin bed. I would imagine now anything under 27-29 probably won't have the separate dinette.

Sorry I can't be of more help, thought I knew a little about pocket cruisers, but you've stumped me here!
 

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Sorry I can't be of more help, thought I knew a little about pocket cruisers, but you've stumped me here!

I tend to do that. Be glad you don't live with me! Sooner or later I'll find something workable. I always have.

The problem with downsizing is that we worked our way up to a boat that finally fit the bill. It literally has everything we need to spend a weekend on the hook or a week in a marina. I even removed all the cushions in the mid-berth and put in a real mattress, with sheets and blanket. It's my 'floating man cave'. LOL.
 

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If you are looking for something trailerable, anything above 24' gets a little heavy and a lot more work. A 24' can have the ammenities that a larger boat has, but they are just more compact. But, that is the sacrifice that you have when downgrading.

Also, a 24' would move much better with 1 engine than a 25 or 26' would.

How often do you sleep out on the boat? Heck, if you just enjoy being on the water, but don't sleep over on it all that much, maybe you could just get something to get you out on the water and then use your savings on a hotel.
 

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Whats wrong with the current boat? Why is it living on borrowed time?
 

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Also can you further the requirments for the boat?
Is there a style you want to stick to or just a style you think you should stick to?
What do you want to do with the boat?
Will it live on a trailer if so what do you pull with it?
Where will you be using it?

The first thing thing that comes to mind is a pontoon with a houseboat conversion kit. You can live on it very nicely, it has an outboard and can be trailered.
 

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It may 'live' on a trailer in the off season if it comes with one, but I won't be trailering it- it'll be wet slipped in the summer. At the beginning and end of the season, I'd pay for local transport to and from my home, and blocking in my driveway if there's no trailer.

agallant, read my original post. I currently own a boat I can't work on due to a packed engine room and physical limitations, and I can no longer afford to let a mechanic do it all and store it for me. What I'm looking for is described in my posts, so I won't bore everybody by repeating it all.

I'm open to any ideas that haven't already occurred to me, so make 'em if you've got 'em. Oh- and a pontoon would be totally unsuited to the water here. I've never even seen one around here. Houseboats aren't completely unheard of (I know of two), but the only ones I've ever seen are really big.
 
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Have you considered the Bayliner 2655 or 265 depending on year
lots of headroom, lrg. head,
a lot of them out there so should be able to find a good one

Just a thought
 

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Have you considered the Bayliner 2655 or 265 depending on year
lots of headroom, lrg. head,
a lot of them out there so should be able to find a good one

Just a thought

The fourth paragraph of my original post...

A 26 ft Bayliner Ciera from the early 2000's has a wide beam, lots of cabin room, a single engine and great access to it. I'm using that as my basis for comparison going forward.
 
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