A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

duncan_ellison

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Hi guys,<br /><br />I know that if anyone can point me in the direction to go from here it will the the iboats crew !<br /><br />Here's the story :- brand new (to me at any rate) 1996 4Winns 190 fitted with Volvo Penta SX Cobra 5.0 EFi (I beleive this is technically an OMC) with about 200 fresh water hours on the clock. <br /><br />Off we go into a fairly choppy sea after a difficult launch and within 60 yards of the slipway the engine cuts out. :( I start up again and try forwards - nothing doing the engine cuts. :( Start up again, try reverse, won't go in. So check the prop and find out I have about 6 feet of 1 1/2" nylon rope around the prop !<br /><br />Clear this with a bit of leaning over the side and off we go again - no prop damage - no harm done.<br /><br />Engine runs sweet as a nut now - for about 1/2 hour then just dies. :mad: Nothing will get it to go. After an embarassing tow in by the Coastguard, I get the boat home, put the flush muffs on and try to start - still nothing.<br /><br />Here's what I know :<br /><br />1) I found that the pivot housing drain plug was missing ! This could have been removed when the motor was winterised and not replaced or it could have just fallen out. This is the plug on the port side just above where the business end of the ram is.<br /><br />2) There's a great spark - I used a tester.<br /><br />3) There's plenty of fuel in the fuel filter and it doesn't seem to be blocked.<br /><br />4) I can hear what I think is the fuel pump run for a few seconds when the ignition is switched on, then it stops (presumably when it has pressurised the system)<br /><br />5) I took one of the plugs out and it seemed ok, certainly not full of seawater. <br /><br />6) I dipped the dipstick and it looked like just normal clean oil.<br /><br />7) I didn't note the engine temp when this happened, but when I switched on a few mins later the temp gauge showed about 1/3, nothing untowards.<br /><br />8) The engine was run for only a few seconds with the rope round the prop, so I don't suspect lack of cooling from that alone.<br /><br />9) None of the breakers have tripped out.<br /><br />10) Prior to all this, I pulled the water pump and the impeller was OK (ordered a new one anyway) and on the flush muffs the engine ran fine, first turn of the key, with plenty of water pouring out of the exhaust (as it should)<br /><br /><br />Anyone know if all this could have been caused by the pivot housing vent screw being missing ?<br /><br />ps marking on the engine and stern drive say :<br /><br />Engine Type 50FAPHUE OMC Cobra 5.0 Efi<br />S/n T01286579<br />Outdrive Type 2868388<br />S/n T00800403<br />Transom Type 3868175<br />S/n T00359078
 

Lou C

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

I doubt it, those drain screws are just for winterizing, the orignial OMC Cobras had them too (two on one side, one on the other). Sounds like you need someone who can troubleshoot the EFI system, did you ever have running/starting problems before? Does the boat have a safety lanyard, is it hooked up? <br />I had a rope get wrapped around my prop once too, and it did stall the boat, but once I got it off there were no other ill effects. If you want to troubleshoot it yourself I suggest you get either an OE Volvo or OMC manual and see what the procedure is. I have not had a boat yet with FI, still running an old style marine Quadrajet 4bbl.
 

duncan_ellison

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

Thanks Lou C, <br /><br />I did check the kill cord and it's fine. With it disconnected, the engine won't even turn over, reconnect it and it does. <br /><br />The annoying thing is that it was a perfect starter before this incident, not even half a turn of the key and it was up and running.<br /><br />My biggest worry at this time is that I've got seawater somewhere it shouldn't be. It cranks over OK and I know it's got a great spark, so it sounds like fuel.<br /><br />I'm going to get a compression tester today (old one won't fit as the plugs are in a very tight 'tunnel'), that should tell me a lot more.
 

KaGee

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

I'm thinking that the prop incident had nothing to do with the starting issue, other than coincidence.<br /><br />I think Lou said it best. Find someone over there that can troubleshoot your electronics.
 

Limited-Time

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

You can try dumping a small amount (2 table spoons) of fuel into the throttle bore, then try starting the engine. This will tell you if you have a fuel delivery issue. Just be sure to put the flame arrestor back on before you try and start it.
 

Don S

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

You have 2 fuel pumps on that engine, check to make sure both are running and check the pressures. There are special fittings on the engine for the tests.<br />The low pressure pump should show 5psi + - 3<br />The high pressure pump should show 39 + - 3 with key on/engine off.
 

duncan_ellison

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

Thanks to all who contributed. Panicking that I may have done some major damage, I took the boat to the shop and unusually they looked at it right away. $200 later, I have the answer and it's not one I would have thought of.<br /><br />A faulty sealing gasket on the Attwood gas filler had caused backwash over the transom to get into the fuel. I had checked the fuel filter once, and noticed nothing wrong, but the mechanic poured several pints into a bucket and let it separate out - it was about 15% water, presumably being sucked from the bottom of the tank.<br /><br />We ran the pump until it seemed to be pure gas and the engine fired right up. Ran it for over 20 mins on the muffs - no problems and sweet as a nut.<br /><br />I'm a bit nervous about the effect of forcing even a little seawater through the injectors, but the mechanic seemsed to think that short of a complete stip down, it would be fine. So who am I are argue ?<br /><br />Lesson learned for a dead engine : Check fuel(carefully!), check spark, check compression, everything else is probably incidental. <br /><br />Incidentally, the missing vent plug fron the leg was probably taken out for winterising and not replaced, but I confirmed that no damage is likely from that alone.<br /><br />Thanks again guys, you're always ready with some great answers when I think I've overcooked something.
 

Lou C

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Re: A day of misery with a Volvo Penta SX Cobra

Glad it had a good outcome. Water in fuel has been a big issue around here since they have been blending 10% ethanol in the gas. I have heard it cleans out gas tanks and all the old junk clogs up filters and carbs. I found some red gunk in the bottom of my fuel filter last year when I winterized that I have never seen before. Big thread on this on www.noreast.com look under the forums in the boating angler area.<br />If you are going to do any work on this consider getting an OE manual, I have the OMC one for my old 1988 and they are very good.
 
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