95 200 oceanrunner No spark

[Vitamin Sea]

I'm having a problem with this motor ran great all day at the end of the day no spark at all any plugs . So far this is what i have done Disconnect the blk/yello wire from circuit to see if kill switch was grounded . still no spark About a year ago I replaced the stator regulator and powerpack all at the time as a result of a regulator fire the only thing I did not change was the time base . engine ran find for that year or till about the last part the CDI regulator was putting out way to much 14.5& up sent it back. new was at 13.7 after it was changed motor ran perfect until at one time I had hard starting problem would not start or fire at all after a few days of sittin went outside fired right up about a dozen time then again nothing and has been out ever since I dont have a PRV to check peak voltage only Ohmeter what does it sound like to you !

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

All factory replacement parts carry a 1 year parts and labor warranty. If it is within a year, get the boat to an authorized dealer and show your parts receipt.<br /><br />If it is over a year and you want to troubleshoot it yourself, go to:<br /><br /> http://outboardparts.com/troubleshooting/troubleshooting3.htm <br /><br />That motor needs a minimum of 350 rpm to generate enough "juice" to make a hot spark. Make sure the batteries, cables, starter, and connections are in good shape before troubleshooting the ignition system.

 

[partslife]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

if you have a service manual it will give you ohm test for all the cdi. you dont need a peak to peak meter to do a ohm test. its not the best way but it should work for you "id start at the stator.

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

motor turn strong with hot battery the stator doesnt look that bad no dripping the coils look like they have been a little warm not burnt the coil windings are a rediss brown from heat I will do the oms test on all the ignition parts but would the stator kill the spark or even the time rbase .I mean all spark!

 

[Pst76]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

Vitamin Sea, Not sure how much different the 200hp is but I have a 150 Ocean Runner that had similar issue twice. First time took forever to figure out but found that the (probably wrong technical name for it) but the optic sensor that follows the top cover for the fly wheel had failed. I believe it is a timing sensor.Replaced it with one from another motor that was used, and she fired right up. End of this season had same symtoms and change sensor again, this time with new one and same deal, started on first click right back to normal. I went through my manual over and over and finally ended up with process of elimination one part at a time. To be sure we put old part back in and would not start. I lucked out with a friend that works on them having a complete block in his shop as a spare for his boat.<br />Good luck. I now have a spare in the glove box.

 

[Sand Bass]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

Vitamin, your first post states you had a "regulator fire". Were you able to determine the cause of the fire? I have read many posts stating that your motor could have a tendency to trap air in the top of the block which will cause the water cooled regulator to overheat and short out (and sometimes catch on fire). There are a couple of proceedures to "vent" the block in an effort to bleed off the trapped air. As a result the top of your motor will not get as hot. Maybe Seahorse or Dhadley will comment as to whether or not this could be your problem.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

The '95 200-225 regulator has a built in thermo protection circuit. It goes "off line" if the water temp gets too hot in the block or if none gets up there to cool the regulator. It cannot prevent shorted or open diodes from intermittent connection voltage spikes, such as from using wing nuts on the battery terminals.<br /><br />A fire starts from excessive heat generated by the stator being shorted to ground thru the diodes, 35 plus amps of current, over a long period of time.

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

My engine turn very well.My thinking is the timerbase or optical trigger is the problem also I will get a used on to try because resistance test are not 100% always as for the fire the regualator got so hot it burnt the powerpack leads and stator charge coils this was last year. Since I have replaced the non veined poppit valve to one that has groves in it to help bleed off air it seems to be doing fine I havent did the vent at the very top of the block as Dhadley suggested the valve was so simple and seems to have did ok Last year I replaced all ingnition component except for timerbase or trigger I hope this is the culprit CDI now has the vented block update on there websight<br />it took awhile !<br />Tired of burnt regulators every year!<br />Dhadley SeaHorse<br />Whats up!heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllpppppppp! Im drowning

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

dude<br /> have you tried unplugging the black yellow kill wires?<br /> its odd to lose both banks at once. <br /> do the resitance test for the charge coils and triggers. a voltage output is better but requires a peak reading meter.<br /> good luck and keep posting

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

I am leaning toward the optical sensor or timer base as its also called its the only thing that wasn't replaced after the first ignition problem as for the regulator fire yes it had one not to bad but good enough to cook a hole in the regulator the size of a quarter all the way thruogh the regulator also cooked powerpack wiring and stator charge cooils it was a mess I have seen the post by Seahorse and Dhadley on venting the block with the fitting or getting a poppit valve or airbleeder valve (sometimes called also ) from a 1998 engine that has little veins to allow air to pass through My reg has been there for a year now with no sign of heat so far I jsut lost all spark on day ,would start anything came back the following day ready to troubleshoot fired right up took it to the ramp would do anything no spark again I have done most of the resistance test every thing reads within spec <br />sorry double post

 

[AUGIDAWG]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

I have been down the exact same road as you with my 95 200 Ocean Runner. I believe the cause of my fire was batteries low on water, or cable connections.<br /><br />The only things that I had replaced that you didn't, were the timing base and the wiring harness.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

Your motor does not have an optical sensor, that is only on 60 degree V4's and V6's, 90 thru 175hp.<br /><br />You will need a peak reading voltmeter or a DVI adapter for a digital voltmeter to test the timer base output. There are resistance readings but they vary greatly by the brand of ohmmeter. There was a service bulletin published about that.

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

Im going to send the power pack and stator to CDI to have them checked . I think Im probably gonna buy a timer base also since it was never changed from Original meltdown caused by regulator excessive heat!<br />! question: if the timerbase did malfuntion it would cause the lost of all spark? "or just a few plugs"! I Know either the stator or Powerpack could<br />Greg<br />

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

A drastic stator failure will not normally cause a no-spark situation. It has 2 charges coils for the powerpack, one for each bank, and a power coil to energize the "computer" inside the pack. If the power coil goes bad, an easy resistance check, the starter solenoid provides start-up voltage to the "computer", so you would have spark while cranking the motor over.<br /><br />A bad timer base can fail by either one or more cylinders not getting spark, or none at all. It is very rare that a timer base goes bad, but it does happen once in a great while.

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

ok here's where I am" New Pwr Pk ,new Stator "still no spark nothing left to chk but Timerbase "correct? also key kill switch disconnected . Also one additional question does the VRO have an ignition shutoff circuit installed or just warning horn ( 1995 200hp oceanrunner)<br />Greg

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

there is no ignition cutoff on that motor. There is a shift interupter circuit that shuts down 1 side when shifting OUT of gear, but unless the switch is shorted and the isolation diode is also shorted, it should not affect the system. As Rodbolt suggested, you DO have both kill wires disconnected at the pack, right?<br /><br />Don't forget that cranking rpm is very important for ignition testing.<br /><br />There is a sequence of tests for the timer base and they are listed in the service manual. Also read the bulletin about ohms readings.<br /><br />Were both the pack and the stator bad? If so, were they replaced under warranty?

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

no I assumed neither was bad I sent them in to CDI because I recently purchased them and I was suspect that they could be my problem. I got both back new and still have no spark I replace the powerpack stator and regulator early this year because of the meltdown of a abnormal regulator rectifier and changed the blow off valve to the one with the little veins in it<br />The only thing thats original OMC on this ignition is the Timerbase never been changed I went thru the testing and am at the timerbase stage because the stator and pack are now new I also tried with the kill circuit under the flywheel disconected ruling out the kill circuit One question could all coils go at once ? seems very unlikely can the timerbase cause a lost in all spark from what I understand from my reading the manual and the outboardtroubleshotting guide the timerbase sends power or voltage sense to the powerpack<br />anymore input will be appreciated I think I'm almost there PS that trigger sure is <br />exspen-sive! <br />Greg

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

Follow the troubleshooting steps to the letter when checking out the timer base. Don't forget to check for the 10 volts that the pack sends to the timer to switch the sensor timing when starting or warmed up.<br /><br />It would be exceedingly rare that 6 coils went out at once, but corrosion under the grounding straps or a bad ground at the pack can mess things up.

 

[Vitamin Sea]

Re: 95 200 oceanrunner No spark

one other thing after talking to an technician that frequents OMC said that these are notorius for spinning the flywheel center and that would cause lost in spark he also stated that for the timer base to go out it was very rare but it happens<br />Ive tried two timerbase 583533-584586 of other engines but still no fire and this is with the shift \kill and ignition kill disconnected<br />also tried with rectifier disconnected thinking it may be shorted to ground